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> 74 2.0L, Running Very Rich, owner quite confused, need diagnostic help
drumsticks2112
post Sep 20 2009, 12:56 PM
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Car fires without a problem, but idles quite rough, and runs very rich, so much so that when the it settles down to normal idles, it floods out. MPS was replaced with a used but tested one recently. When it was last running ( a year ago) it ran a little rich, but nothing like this.

As of now, the CHT is not connected. When it is connected, the RPMs jump up to 4000 and stay there. When the CHT is bypassed with direct grounding of the harness, the results are the same as with the sensor being disconnected.

I have no reason to suspect the injectors, FPR, Decel Valve, or the MPS.
Any and all advice is welcome.

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post Sep 23 2009, 12:41 PM
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I am working with drumsticks on this car and have done the following in the last 24 hrs to track down the source of this problem;
I replaced the vac. hose going to the MPS - there seemed to be good vaccum on the MPS end of the hose when running and connecting it to the MPS while running had minimal effect- still flooding out. At the same time I connected the hd temp sensor lead to the inj. harness lead which makes the eng race immediately without moving the throttle body flap.
ALSO - grounding the hd temp lead from the brain had NO effect.
I am beginning to think we are barking up the wrong tree. This car ran pretty good a year ago, albeit a little rich, without the hd temp sensor being hooked up.
In the process of restoring the car over the winter, we removed the throttle body and intake tubes for cleaning and painting and then re-assembled with new gaskets. No other EFI components were disturbed. The throttle valve sensor was recalibrated upon assembly. As stated before, the eng. fires right up but the plugs eventually drown in gasoline at idle.
I have not yet checked the fuel pressure - possible source of the problem?

We are frustrated and open to any and all advice.

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post Sep 23 2009, 07:41 PM
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QUOTE(CHAZT54 @ Sep 23 2009, 09:41 AM) *

I am working with drumsticks on this car and have done the following in the last 24 hrs to track down the source of this problem;
I replaced the vac. hose going to the MPS - there seemed to be good vaccum on the MPS end of the hose when running and connecting it to the MPS while running had minimal effect- still flooding out. At the same time I connected the hd temp sensor lead to the inj. harness lead which makes the eng race immediately without moving the throttle body flap.
ALSO - grounding the hd temp lead from the brain had NO effect.
I am beginning to think we are barking up the wrong tree. This car ran pretty good a year ago, albeit a little rich, without the hd temp sensor being hooked up.
In the process of restoring the car over the winter, we removed the throttle body and intake tubes for cleaning and painting and then re-assembled with new gaskets. No other EFI components were disturbed. The throttle valve sensor was recalibrated upon assembly. As stated before, the eng. fires right up but the plugs eventually drown in gasoline at idle.
I have not yet checked the fuel pressure - possible source of the problem?

We are frustrated and open to any and all advice.

CHAZT54



My advice,

I fought an intermittent rich condition for a long time...
I bought and installed a new CHT which was defective from Bosch.
I will always check new parts now before I install them.

Pull the CHT , test the resistance at cold & hot temperatures using your stove top and a pan of hot water.

Cold it should measure 2,000 to 3000 ohms.

Hot it should measure less than 1000 ohms.

Trust me the car will not run correct without this sensor functioning properly.




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drumsticks2112   74 2.0L, Running Very Rich, owner quite confused   Sep 20 2009, 12:56 PM
type47   I thought the CHT had to be connected to run; must...   Sep 20 2009, 04:12 PM
Rand   Running that rich makes me suspect the MPS (even t...   Sep 20 2009, 04:18 PM
Dave_Darling   Disconnecting the CHT will send the mixture very r...   Sep 20 2009, 04:53 PM
pilothyer   I didn't think an open CHTS would allow the ca...   Sep 20 2009, 05:15 PM
underthetire   I had a CHT go bad. Went open when hot. Biatch to ...   Sep 21 2009, 10:04 AM
CHAZT54   I am working with drumsticks on this car and have ...   Sep 23 2009, 12:41 PM
greenie   I am working with drumsticks on this car and have...   Sep 23 2009, 07:41 PM
Dave_Darling   ...At the same time I connected the hd temp sensor...   Sep 23 2009, 08:51 PM
tod914   Did you actually test the MPS to see if it holds v...   Sep 23 2009, 07:56 PM
drumsticks2112   Did you actually test the MPS to see if it holds ...   Sep 23 2009, 10:09 PM
Bleyseng   does sound like a vacuum leak of misplaced hose to...   Sep 23 2009, 10:07 PM
tod914   Compliments of Dave. http://www.pelicanparts.com/...   Sep 23 2009, 10:26 PM
drumsticks2112   Compliments of Dave. http://www.pelicanparts.com...   Sep 23 2009, 10:58 PM
CHAZT54   [quote name='tod914' post='1218012' date='Sep 23 ...   Sep 30 2009, 12:47 PM
Van914   Did you check the adjustment on the FI Brain. I us...   Sep 30 2009, 01:13 PM
rjames   Did you check the adjustment on the FI Brain. I u...   Sep 30 2009, 01:36 PM
drumsticks2112   Thanks for the additional ideas guys, here is the ...   Sep 30 2009, 04:22 PM
r_towle   Start at the beginning. Remove EVERY vacuum line f...   Sep 30 2009, 03:39 PM
Rand   Like Dave said, idle that fast means there HAS to ...   Sep 30 2009, 03:39 PM
r_towle   no idea what an FPS is nor a TVS. The MPS does not...   Sep 30 2009, 04:33 PM
drumsticks2112   no idea what an FPS is nor a TVS. The MPS does no...   Sep 30 2009, 09:57 PM
Dave_Darling   The MPS has a mechanical component. If you shake ...   Sep 30 2009, 11:11 PM
CHAZT54   OK - we took your advice and dismantled the intake...   Oct 2 2009, 07:52 AM
r_towle   There is no fuel pressure sensor...a fuel pressure...   Oct 2 2009, 01:13 PM
CHAZT54   There is no fuel pressure sensor...a fuel pressur...   Oct 2 2009, 03:42 PM
CHAZT54   There is no fuel pressure sensor...a fuel pressu...   Oct 5 2009, 12:21 PM
r_towle   [quote name='CHAZT54' post='1221175' date='Oct 2 ...   Oct 5 2009, 04:48 PM
CHAZT54   [quote name='CHAZT54' post='1221175' date='Oct 2...   Oct 6 2009, 07:47 AM
r_towle   [quote name='r_towle' post='1222305' date='Oct 5 ...   Oct 6 2009, 01:18 PM
r_towle   You will need an inline gauge to confirm how the F...   Oct 2 2009, 04:51 PM
Rand   I just pulled the line off the CSV and plugged it....   Oct 6 2009, 10:52 AM
CHAZT54   EUREKA!! It finally runs & idles norma...   Oct 8 2009, 12:27 PM


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