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> 74 2.0L, Running Very Rich, owner quite confused, need diagnostic help
drumsticks2112
post Sep 20 2009, 12:56 PM
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Car fires without a problem, but idles quite rough, and runs very rich, so much so that when the it settles down to normal idles, it floods out. MPS was replaced with a used but tested one recently. When it was last running ( a year ago) it ran a little rich, but nothing like this.

As of now, the CHT is not connected. When it is connected, the RPMs jump up to 4000 and stay there. When the CHT is bypassed with direct grounding of the harness, the results are the same as with the sensor being disconnected.

I have no reason to suspect the injectors, FPR, Decel Valve, or the MPS.
Any and all advice is welcome.

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post Sep 30 2009, 03:39 PM
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Start at the beginning.
Remove EVERY vacuum line from the plenum, put vacuum line covers on every port so you have no vacuum lines hooked up.

Now hook up JUST the mps.
Start the car...see if that cures it. If it does, its one of the lines.
Re-install ONE line at a time to find the system that is bad.

If that does not work (you can still get it to idle high)
you have to look at what you did...
That is specifically intake runners, throttle body, and all gaskets that go with that.
Check the bottom of the plenum for a rust hole...use a flashlight into the hole to see if there is a new hole that is not supposed to be there.

I have taken out the whole intake and I clean the head really well, then put a little smear of RTV Copper or Black on both sides of the spacer when I bolt it back to the head...that needs to sit overnight before you start the car.
Clamp the large intake runner rubber tubes on both ends...all of them.
Then, see if it still does it.

Throttle body gasket (is it complete, no missing pieces...use RTV if you have to to ensure you have no leak there.)

TPS setup...use the pic below to set it correctly at idle.
Idle circuit is special in Djet and you need to activate it by setting the TPS correctly...its a no adjustable thing...basically there is only one right way to set it...its not a variable...use the picture below.

Turn the knob on your ECU to zero...start there.
Go up one click at a time and wait ten minutes of running between any adjustment there.

Replace the CHT. check for shorts in the wiring going from the CHT to the ECU (pinout on Banders site)

Many times you will find the old wires break and short out...so its a good time to check the whole wiring harness...
Its time consuming, but simple to do with an ohm meter.

Rich


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drumsticks2112   74 2.0L, Running Very Rich, owner quite confused   Sep 20 2009, 12:56 PM
type47   I thought the CHT had to be connected to run; must...   Sep 20 2009, 04:12 PM
Rand   Running that rich makes me suspect the MPS (even t...   Sep 20 2009, 04:18 PM
Dave_Darling   Disconnecting the CHT will send the mixture very r...   Sep 20 2009, 04:53 PM
pilothyer   I didn't think an open CHTS would allow the ca...   Sep 20 2009, 05:15 PM
underthetire   I had a CHT go bad. Went open when hot. Biatch to ...   Sep 21 2009, 10:04 AM
CHAZT54   I am working with drumsticks on this car and have ...   Sep 23 2009, 12:41 PM
greenie   I am working with drumsticks on this car and have...   Sep 23 2009, 07:41 PM
Dave_Darling   ...At the same time I connected the hd temp sensor...   Sep 23 2009, 08:51 PM
tod914   Did you actually test the MPS to see if it holds v...   Sep 23 2009, 07:56 PM
drumsticks2112   Did you actually test the MPS to see if it holds ...   Sep 23 2009, 10:09 PM
Bleyseng   does sound like a vacuum leak of misplaced hose to...   Sep 23 2009, 10:07 PM
tod914   Compliments of Dave. http://www.pelicanparts.com/...   Sep 23 2009, 10:26 PM
drumsticks2112   Compliments of Dave. http://www.pelicanparts.com...   Sep 23 2009, 10:58 PM
CHAZT54   [quote name='tod914' post='1218012' date='Sep 23 ...   Sep 30 2009, 12:47 PM
Van914   Did you check the adjustment on the FI Brain. I us...   Sep 30 2009, 01:13 PM
rjames   Did you check the adjustment on the FI Brain. I u...   Sep 30 2009, 01:36 PM
drumsticks2112   Thanks for the additional ideas guys, here is the ...   Sep 30 2009, 04:22 PM
r_towle   Start at the beginning. Remove EVERY vacuum line f...   Sep 30 2009, 03:39 PM
Rand   Like Dave said, idle that fast means there HAS to ...   Sep 30 2009, 03:39 PM
r_towle   no idea what an FPS is nor a TVS. The MPS does not...   Sep 30 2009, 04:33 PM
drumsticks2112   no idea what an FPS is nor a TVS. The MPS does no...   Sep 30 2009, 09:57 PM
Dave_Darling   The MPS has a mechanical component. If you shake ...   Sep 30 2009, 11:11 PM
CHAZT54   OK - we took your advice and dismantled the intake...   Oct 2 2009, 07:52 AM
r_towle   There is no fuel pressure sensor...a fuel pressure...   Oct 2 2009, 01:13 PM
CHAZT54   There is no fuel pressure sensor...a fuel pressur...   Oct 2 2009, 03:42 PM
CHAZT54   There is no fuel pressure sensor...a fuel pressu...   Oct 5 2009, 12:21 PM
r_towle   [quote name='CHAZT54' post='1221175' date='Oct 2 ...   Oct 5 2009, 04:48 PM
CHAZT54   [quote name='CHAZT54' post='1221175' date='Oct 2...   Oct 6 2009, 07:47 AM
r_towle   [quote name='r_towle' post='1222305' date='Oct 5 ...   Oct 6 2009, 01:18 PM
r_towle   You will need an inline gauge to confirm how the F...   Oct 2 2009, 04:51 PM
Rand   I just pulled the line off the CSV and plugged it....   Oct 6 2009, 10:52 AM
CHAZT54   EUREKA!! It finally runs & idles norma...   Oct 8 2009, 12:27 PM


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