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> 'Cooling flaps' in top of engine tin, Cable activated? How do these function?
johnnie5
post Feb 6 2009, 01:38 PM
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Just as the title states....
When I was dressing my new motor I noticed these 'reverse' flaps. But have no idea what cable would hook up to the flapper arm, or where it would come from? Or what would activate it?
Someone please enlighten me...
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post Oct 12 2009, 12:18 PM
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) ..well ..NOT having any air flaps. Diverters at all.....will not effect air going over the oil cooler....the air is pressurized..and as such WILL equalize in the sheetmetal back to front and go over the cylinders and oil cooler and out. I have never had ANY repeat ANY oil cooling problems , by removing ALL the crap that is in the way, of restricting air flow to the cylinders..(.THE DAMN FLAPS.) The engine , cools ,revs better as the compacted air has less restriction, and or cavation.(compacting air to the point that air flow virtually ceases) . When your cast aluminum fan blows up (as some one in a recient post had )...it is due from the force , restriction, cavation, to such a degree that the AIR PRESSURE will break aluminum fins off the air impeller/blower. This is why the racers who turn ..LOTS of rpm,s remove fan blades. To prevent cavation. to keep air flow going at extreme rpm,s. Porsche race cars solved the problem by having air blowers/ fans, with FEWER blades... all that force , of air inside the air housings, against the fan blades ALSO COSTS HORSEPOWER, Now with all this said I do not build engines for people that sit in traffic, for hours, and turn only 3500 rpms. with 10-w-30-oil., ,.I.M.E. no flaps - no problem. However; If there are those owners of 914s who want their cars to be totally stock as relates to air diverters, flappers and are concerned that modofications MAY affect the cooling of their engine then please disreguard ALL the information in this post. By all means do it your way.It,s your money, and time. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)
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post Oct 13 2009, 01:42 PM
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QUOTE(ME733 @ Oct 12 2009, 11:18 AM) *

..well ..NOT having any air flaps. Diverters at all.....will not effect air going over the oil cooler....the air is pressurized..and as such WILL equalize in the sheetmetal back to front and go over the cylinders and oil cooler and out.


My $.02.

The above statement is not correct. Air is STUPID.

Unlike water, which will pressurize and equally flow, air will just keep pounding and build back pressure.

In designing under-floor cooling systems for computer data centers, we demonstrated time and time again that a high powered air flow pointing to the floor will not push air equally throughout the room. It will continue to pound until you provide air guides that properly direct the air. The flaps in the 914 engine provide the air guides necessary to properly direct the air flow. If you remove these, you need to create a new set of air-guides.

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johnnie5   'Cooling flaps' in top of engine tin   Feb 6 2009, 01:38 PM
type47   the flaps are "cooling" flaps that diver...   Feb 6 2009, 02:28 PM
johnnie5   Ok, so its thermostat activated - that makes sense...   Feb 6 2009, 02:41 PM
blitZ   Ok, so its thermostat activated - that makes sens...   Feb 6 2009, 02:46 PM
ericread   Here's some classic pictures: This picture ha...   Feb 6 2009, 02:52 PM
SirAndy   This is a picture of the thermostat, which fits n...   Feb 6 2009, 03:09 PM
maf914   A key feature of the spring loaded cooling flaps i...   Feb 6 2009, 03:27 PM
johnnie5   Thanks everyone, for the fine explanations and pic...   Feb 6 2009, 03:49 PM
ericread   Thanks everyone, for the fine explanations and pi...   Feb 6 2009, 05:37 PM
Joe Ricard   The thermostat controls the warming up of the engi...   Feb 6 2009, 05:47 PM
Keoni914   Interesting information for us newbies! Thank...   Aug 31 2009, 08:52 PM
type47   One question please, does one need to move the po...   Aug 31 2009, 10:02 PM
rjames   My cable is fraying from where it is rubbing on th...   Aug 31 2009, 09:01 PM
StratPlayer   Pic of thermostat and pulley cable sits in. You c...   Sep 1 2009, 11:42 AM
StratPlayer   gdss   Sep 1 2009, 11:45 AM
mtndawg   This is where it goes through the tin. You can als...   Sep 1 2009, 12:45 PM
Vacca Rabite   Keep in mind - while the flaps are supposed to fai...   Sep 1 2009, 12:51 PM
RiqueMar   Keep in mind - while the flaps are supposed to fa...   Oct 11 2009, 12:21 AM
7275914911   not meaning to :hijacked: but If you run them O...   Oct 11 2009, 07:25 AM
Jacob   Are these thermostats still available?   Oct 11 2009, 09:14 AM
tat2dphreak   the air will not be directed properly, but you ca...   Oct 11 2009, 09:33 AM
McMark   Don't do it. You will not get any airflow th...   Oct 11 2009, 10:55 AM
SirAndy   Don't do it. You will not get any airflow t...   Oct 11 2009, 12:29 PM
RiqueMar   [quote name='McMark' post='1224591' date='Oct 11 ...   Oct 11 2009, 01:00 PM
SirAndy   What about keeping the flaps in, but always in co...   Oct 11 2009, 01:12 PM
7275914911   Don't do it. You will not get any airflow t...   Oct 11 2009, 01:10 PM
tat2dphreak   :agree: wes just took the next step and removed t...   Oct 11 2009, 01:23 PM
RiqueMar   :agree: wes just took the next step and removed ...   Oct 11 2009, 02:32 PM
RiqueMar   As I said, I was considering this, so here's s...   Oct 11 2009, 11:38 PM
SirAndy   The second, is the flaps in the 'cooling...   Oct 12 2009, 12:17 AM
ME733   :popcorn: ..well ..NOT having any air flaps. Diver...   Oct 12 2009, 12:18 PM
SirAndy   :popcorn: ..well ..NOT having any air flaps. Dive...   Oct 12 2009, 12:47 PM
Dave_Darling   ... I have never had ANY repeat ANY oil coolin...   Oct 12 2009, 04:57 PM
ME733   ... I have never had ANY repeat ANY oil cooli...   Oct 13 2009, 12:32 PM
SirAndy   I have built plenty of street cars without the ...   Oct 13 2009, 01:34 PM
Dave_Darling   ...Well Dave, for you to say the ..No flaps needed...   Oct 14 2009, 09:47 AM
ericread   ..well ..NOT having any air flaps. Diverters at a...   Oct 13 2009, 01:42 PM
McMark   WHAT!? Since most of the cars here are daily...   Oct 12 2009, 01:04 PM
ME733   WHAT!? Since most of the cars here are dail...   Oct 12 2009, 01:44 PM
RiqueMar   [quote name='McMark' post='1225059' date='Oct 12 ...   Oct 12 2009, 02:43 PM
SirAndy   Motor - A machine that converts other forms of ene...   Oct 12 2009, 03:22 PM
McMark   :barf: Oh man. Talking about keeping motors ALIVE...   Oct 12 2009, 04:35 PM
rhodyguy   if i put an oil cooler in one of the wheelwells do...   Oct 13 2009, 12:41 PM
ME733   if i put an oil cooler in one of the wheelwells d...   Oct 13 2009, 12:56 PM
McMark   So please explain to me how the same motor on the...   Oct 13 2009, 01:52 PM
tat2dphreak   :agree: damn physics fucking up everyone's pl...   Oct 13 2009, 09:14 PM
ericread   :agree: damn physics fucking up everyone's p...   Oct 13 2009, 09:27 PM
ME733   :popcorn: ...WELL I am exasperated at the lack of ...   Oct 16 2009, 02:07 PM
ericread   :popcorn: ...WELL I am exasperated at the lack of...   Oct 16 2009, 02:30 PM
Cupomeat   :popcorn: ...WELL I am exasperated at the lack of...   Oct 16 2009, 02:45 PM
SirAndy   ... I am ... creative ... you guys .. are ... mon...   Oct 16 2009, 02:53 PM
johnnie5   :popcorn: ...WELL I am exasperated at the lack of...   Oct 16 2009, 03:52 PM
RiqueMar   :toke: Does anybody know if I can buy a new bel...   Oct 16 2009, 04:39 PM
johnnie5   RiqueMar, I have been running the flaps on my 2056...   Oct 16 2009, 05:06 PM
neil30076   RiqueMar, I have been running the flaps on my 205...   Oct 16 2009, 05:31 PM
John Jentz   Does anybody know if I can buy a new bellows t ...   Oct 17 2009, 09:15 AM
Millerwelds   My cable for the flaps is modified to attach to th...   Oct 17 2009, 10:16 AM
johnnie5   Everything explained here http://www.ratwell.com/...   Oct 17 2009, 11:18 AM
RiqueMar   Johnnie, I'm at the shop right now and will ch...   Oct 17 2009, 12:00 PM
tat2dphreak   ok... live and let live I guess... I fail to see h...   Oct 16 2009, 02:15 PM
tat2dphreak   a bus one would be the same... but still NLA new. ...   Oct 16 2009, 06:05 PM
pilothyer   Wayne....and.....johnnie5... I am almost certain t...   Oct 17 2009, 12:22 AM


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