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> Transmission Fluid, ????
mxhondarider832
post Nov 5 2009, 01:45 PM
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I have a '74 914 and the transmission is a little leaky and need to change the fluid, the book says to use straight 90w oil but I am having a really tough time finding it so I was wondering if there was a newer substitute that I could use. This is my first 914 and I am struggling a little bit and could use some help thanks
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post Nov 8 2009, 01:48 PM
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From the redline website found here:
http://www.redlineoil.com/content/files/te...Tech%20Info.pdf

"GEAR AND SYNCHRONIZER WEAR PROTECTION
Most manufacturers of manual transmissions and
transaxles recommend an 80W or 90W GL-4 lubricant.
GL-5 gears oils which are required in hypoid differentials
are not used in most synchromesh transmissions
because the chemicals used to provide the extreme
pressure protection can be corrosive to synchronizers,
which are commonly made of brass or bronze. Typically,
the use of a GL-5 lubricant in a synchromesh
transmission will shorten the synchronizer life by one
half. The extreme pressure requirements of spur gears
and helical gears found in transmissions are not nearly
as great as found in rear-wheel drive differentials. A
GL-4 lubricant provides adequate protection for most
manual transmissions, unless a unique design
consideration requires the extra protection of a GL-5."

"DIRECTIONS FOR USE
Red Line MTL may be used in transmissions which
recommend 75W, 80W, or 85W GL-4 gear oils, or SAE
30 or 5W/10W30 motor oils. If a 90W GL-4 or SAE 40,
10W40, or 15W40 is required, MT-90 may be used. If the
transmission or transaxle requires an SAE 90 GL-5 gear
oil, then Red Line 75W90NS or 75W140NS Gear Oil
may be used. In transmissions which recommend Dexron
or Mercon fluids we recommend our D4 ATF which is
very similar to the MTL, being a GL-4 Gear Oil also. The
D4 ATF will provide better low-temperature shiftability,
and the MTL would provide better wear protection for
racing use. MTL is not designed for use in rear-wheel
drive differentials. Those generally require a GL-5 lubricant
such as Red Line 75W90 Gear Oil. It is not necessary
to flush the transmission before replacing with MTL.
Remove the drain plug and drain while warm. Seal
compatibility has been designed to be similar to petroleum
lubricants, and leakage should be no greater than
any other oil of comparable viscosity. Being formulated
with extremely stable synthetic basestocks, MTL and
MT-90 will last much longer than conventional petroleum
lubricants. However, we do not recommend extended
drain intervals, since without a filtration system, there is
no way to remove metal shavings other than draining the
lubricant. The regular maintenance intervals are also
recommended to insure that the proper level of the fluid
is maintained."

I have found before that they specifically prohibited use with hypoid gears, but I do not see that here in such plain speak. OUr boxes need GL-5, but they do not have brass or bronze synchros so the wear there is not of concern. We do have such yellow metals with in the gear box, though, and the GL-5 stuff can attack and oxidize the metals so that they are not pretty...but after 30+ years this has not become a failure point or even a perceived failure point.
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mxhondarider832   Transmission Fluid   Nov 5 2009, 01:45 PM
underthetire   OH no, you just poked a pimple. I use 80/90 stand...   Nov 5 2009, 01:54 PM
Drums66   That's what I use!........put whatever ...   Nov 5 2009, 04:27 PM
Zundfolge   I had a harder time finding the 17mm allen wrench ...   Nov 5 2009, 02:18 PM
SirAndy   Swepco 201 is expensive and the Cap'n will tel...   Nov 5 2009, 02:19 PM
Richard Casto   Transmission oil is not really a "wear...   Dec 19 2011, 09:58 AM
Randal   Swepco 201 is expensive and the Cap'n will te...   May 27 2013, 02:01 PM
tat2dphreak   I'm using Valvoline 85w-90 I think it's a ...   Nov 5 2009, 02:54 PM
tod914   Just put the Swepco in mine. Shifts much better l...   Nov 5 2009, 04:35 PM
Mark Henry   Just use the cheap gear oil and change it once and...   Nov 5 2009, 04:51 PM
westgl   Redline MTL is the old gearoil dont use it USE: R...   Nov 7 2009, 12:50 AM
Drums66   Redline MTL is the old gearoil dont use it USE: ...   Nov 8 2009, 01:37 PM
ME733   :popcorn: ...bottom line is THIS If you have reall...   Nov 7 2009, 04:53 PM
Dr Evil   :popcorn: ...bottom line is THIS If you have real...   Nov 7 2009, 09:14 PM
detoxcowboy   :popcorn: ...bottom line is THIS If you have rea...   Nov 7 2009, 10:18 PM
detoxcowboy   make sure you get your fill plug off first before ...   Nov 7 2009, 04:58 PM
Dr Evil   From the redline website found here: http://www.re...   Nov 8 2009, 01:48 PM
Cap'n Krusty   I don't recall EVER saying Swepco gear oil is ...   Nov 8 2009, 02:58 PM
astronomerdave   So, the people selling components to convert 914s ...   Nov 9 2009, 01:11 AM
Drums66   Blah Blah Woof Woof..........I go by experience ,y...   Nov 9 2009, 01:16 PM
astronomerdave   did you read my last post(20 years) same gear oi...   Nov 9 2009, 01:32 PM
Dr Evil   :WTF: is your problem?   Nov 9 2009, 01:22 PM
underthetire   Did you see my first post? First reply? I told you...   Nov 9 2009, 01:38 PM
Dr Evil   So you are saying that people are allowed to be je...   Nov 9 2009, 01:57 PM
detoxcowboy   :DRUNK:   Nov 9 2009, 02:04 PM
Gint   :WTF: is with you people lately? I feel like a ba...   Nov 9 2009, 03:11 PM
SirAndy   :WTF: is with you people lately? I feel like a b...   Nov 9 2009, 03:26 PM
underthetire   Funny thing to, Redline MT90 is fairly new. It...   Nov 9 2009, 03:44 PM
Drums66   Funny thing to, Redline MT90 is fairly new. It...   Dec 20 2011, 05:00 PM
wobbletop   When I visited the local Swepco guy, he showed me ...   Nov 9 2009, 03:48 PM
Richard Casto   When I visited the local Swepco guy, he showed me...   Dec 19 2011, 10:00 AM
steuspeed   Dr. Evil. So I should be running this Red Line non...   Dec 18 2011, 10:30 PM
gothspeed   Dr. Evil. So I should be running this Red Line no...   Dec 19 2011, 03:05 PM
Dr Evil   Use what you want. I already posted my experience ...   Dec 19 2011, 06:34 PM
SirAndy   Tranz oil is absolutely a wear item; Heat and dir...   Dec 21 2011, 02:56 PM
Steve   Tranz oil is absolutely a wear item; Heat and di...   Dec 21 2011, 06:19 PM
SirAndy   I'm confused... if the oil doesn't get ho...   Dec 21 2011, 06:23 PM
Steve   I'm confused... if the oil doesn't get h...   Dec 21 2011, 06:28 PM
SirAndy   It's funny why Porsche put external oil cooler...   Dec 21 2011, 06:30 PM
Drums66   It's funny why Porsche put external oil coole...   Dec 21 2011, 07:26 PM
Dr Evil   Tranz oil is absolutely a wear item; Heat and di...   Dec 21 2011, 06:24 PM
Mark Henry   Oil preference is almost as bad as politics and re...   Dec 21 2011, 06:03 PM
Richard Casto   Regarding heat... In another thread elsewhere it w...   Dec 21 2011, 09:07 PM
Steve   I need to toss some old oils in the garage, but I ...   Dec 26 2011, 11:04 AM
steuspeed   I'm going back to NON synthetic ASAP! I ca...   Dec 26 2011, 02:06 PM
scott_in_nh   I had shifting that was about the same as the OP...   Dec 26 2011, 08:36 PM
steuspeed   I could not find Valvoline without the Limited Sli...   Dec 30 2011, 01:29 AM
442nd914s   If I can just ask a simple question. And only beca...   Dec 18 2012, 05:35 PM
steuspeed   If I can just ask a simple question. And only bec...   Jan 2 2013, 04:23 PM
Dr Evil   Hey Dude, We all have to learn some time. You ar...   Dec 18 2012, 06:55 PM
Dave_Darling   Use approx 3L of 80w90 GL5 oil and fill until the ...   Jun 25 2013, 06:31 PM
Dr Evil   ALWAYS take the FILL plug out first. If you drain ...   Jan 2 2013, 04:57 PM
mrbubblehead   after finding out how much it costs for new gearbo...   Jan 2 2013, 08:30 PM
Dr Evil   after finding out how much it costs for new gearb...   Jan 3 2013, 05:00 PM
Steve73   <_< How about SuperTech 80w-90 GL-5 from......   May 27 2013, 01:52 PM
396   Like its been said...it's like religion. I...   May 27 2013, 04:52 PM
d962r   Like its been said...it's like religion. I...   Jun 25 2013, 05:41 PM
monkeyboy   Like its been said...it's like religion. I...   Jun 26 2013, 12:10 PM
second wind   [quote name='d962r' post='1885135' date='Jun 25 2...   Jan 4 2023, 02:29 AM
zoomCat   Ok....is it just me or is this thread REALLY CONF...   Jan 4 2023, 11:39 AM
emerygt350   [quote name='d962r' post='1885135' date='Jun 25 ...   Jan 4 2023, 11:58 AM
914043   [quote name='second wind' post='3049101' date='Ja...   Jan 4 2023, 01:17 PM
Steve   [quote name='second wind' post='3049101' date='J...   Jan 5 2023, 12:00 PM
Front yard mechanic   Being a ten year old thread you might as well star...   Jan 4 2023, 06:16 AM
second wind   Here is a good question....will adding Lucas Oil S...   Jan 6 2023, 01:16 PM
Superhawk996   Here is a good question....will adding Lucas Oil ...   Jan 6 2023, 09:37 PM
Geezer914   Kendall MS-NP Hypoid gear oil 80-90W.   Jan 6 2023, 05:25 PM
Brian Fuerbach   Kendall MS-NP Hypoid gear oil 80-90W. I have to ...   Jan 6 2023, 09:52 PM


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