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Crashed 914 in Malaysia - Opinions please

bdstone914	Dec 30 2009, 10:28 PM Post #61
bdstone914 Group: Members Posts: 4,542 Joined: 8-November 03 From: Riverside CA Member No.: 1,319	I got a request for parts from this individual in Malaysia who wrecked his 914. I fear that the damage is worse then he thinks and may be difficult if not economically practical to fix the car. It looks to me the the drivers long is crushed and I would not be surprised if the whole car is bent. Your opinions please. (IMG:http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3382/picture005wt.th.jpg) (IMG:http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/9726/picture006d.th.jpg) (IMG:http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/2483/picture007j.th.jpg) (IMG:http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/5764/picture008bj.th.jpg) (IMG:http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7892/picture009cu.th.jpg) (IMG:http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/3787/picture010fv.th.jpg)

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Mr.242	Dec 31 2009, 02:24 PM Post #62
May your glass be smaller so it's always FULL! Group: Members Posts: 1,079 Joined: 10-June 08 From: Seattle Member No.: 9,160 Region Association: Pacific Northwest	Fixable. my .02 worth. Here is my "crash investigation" with the limited picture I have. The RED lines indicate that car had rotated and the rear/front crossed. The LIME green indicate 'possible' contact damage with the guard rail (I believe the guard rail to be in that design and NOT shoved into the weird bow due to impact) The BLACK represent what I believe to have caused the damage to the car or what contacted. With more pictures I could tell you what it hit. But I believe it to be a sign post or some sort of turn warning. There are TWO posts in the picture. Look by the left rear tire. The post definitely hit the long or something low such as that post or it's concrete base. The post fell and struck the windscreen and passenger ooops, driver door. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) Right handed drive car... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) LEFT DOOR obviously was struck. I would bet the post with the sign (by left rear tire) struck the upper part of the door and the windscreen/support. THE PINK BOX. Here lies the WTF? question. How did this guy lose it BEFORE the turn. The red lines and dirt spray indicate the direction he is traveling. The driver lost this BEFORE getting to the APEX of the turn. So something happened such as getting a tire into the dirt or............................ A LOCK TIRE ALWAYS LEADS. This is why removing the proportioning valve is a BAD thing. When you pull the Parking Brake on a car is spins right? Well, the laws of physics cause that. A locked tire will always come around and lead! ALWAYS. I would bet the right side of the tires have scrub on the sidewalls. The vehicle rotated clockwise. So the driver had some sort of input....... MY CONCLUSION: The driver was driving hard and fast. He comes down a straight with heavy right foot. He does his braking BEFORE the turn as required. But his heavy right foot touches the brakes too hard and with the removal of the proportioning valve the rear tires lock. The vehicle rotates and then the driver is just along for the CIRCUS RIDE. A 914 spins so quick anyway. I bet the driver's seat cushion is needing replaced! Bet the driver SUCKED IT UP HIS ASS just off this camera view! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) Does anyone know where this happened and can get a GOOGLE earth view of the scene. It will tell me more or us more for sure. Be careful people, these cars only go where you put them. It's a shame and I'm glad all the people are fine. Except the driver who is removing leather from up his ASS! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)

Elliot Cannon	Jan 1 2010, 02:27 AM Post #63
914 Guru Group: Retired Members Posts: 8,487 Joined: 29-December 06 From: Paso Robles Ca. (Central coast) Member No.: 7,407 Region Association: None	QUOTE(Mr.242 @ Dec 31 2009, 12:24 PM) Fixable. my .02 worth. Here is my "crash investigation" with the limited picture I have. The RED lines indicate that car had rotated and the rear/front crossed. The LIME green indicate 'possible' contact damage with the guard rail (I believe the guard rail to be in that design and NOT shoved into the weird bow due to impact) The BLACK represent what I believe to have caused the damage to the car or what contacted. With more pictures I could tell you what it hit. But I believe it to be a sign post or some sort of turn warning. There are TWO posts in the picture. Look by the left rear tire. The post definitely hit the long or something low such as that post or it's concrete base. The post fell and struck the windscreen and passenger ooops, driver door. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) Right handed drive car... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) LEFT DOOR obviously was struck. I would bet the post with the sign (by left rear tire) struck the upper part of the door and the windscreen/support. THE PINK BOX. Here lies the WTF? question. How did this guy lose it BEFORE the turn. The red lines and dirt spray indicate the direction he is traveling. The driver lost this BEFORE getting to the APEX of the turn. So something happened such as getting a tire into the dirt or............................ A LOCK TIRE ALWAYS LEADS. This is why removing the proportioning valve is a BAD thing. When you pull the Parking Brake on a car is spins right? Well, the laws of physics cause that. A locked tire will always come around and lead! ALWAYS. I would bet the right side of the tires have scrub on the sidewalls. The vehicle rotated clockwise. So the driver had some sort of input....... MY CONCLUSION: The driver was driving hard and fast. He comes down a straight with heavy right foot. He does his braking BEFORE the turn as required. But his heavy right foot touches the brakes too hard and with the removal of the proportioning valve the rear tires lock. The vehicle rotates and then the driver is just along for the CIRCUS RIDE. A 914 spins so quick anyway. I bet the driver's seat cushion is needing replaced! Bet the driver SUCKED IT UP HIS ASS just off this camera view! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) Does anyone know where this happened and can get a GOOGLE earth view of the scene. It will tell me more or us more for sure. Be careful people, these cars only go where you put them. It's a shame and I'm glad all the people are fine. Except the driver who is removing leather from up his ASS! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) What a genius! You figured that all out from 10,000 miles away? Are you a CSI? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)

messix	Jan 1 2010, 02:37 AM Post #64
AKA "CLUTCH KILLER"! Group: Members Posts: 6,995 Joined: 14-April 05 From: between shit kickers and pinky lifters/ puget sound wa.north of Seattle south of Canada Member No.: 3,931 Region Association: Pacific Northwest	QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Jan 1 2010, 01:27 AM) QUOTE(Mr.242 @ Dec 31 2009, 12:24 PM) Fixable. my .02 worth. Here is my "crash investigation" with the limited picture I have. The RED lines indicate that car had rotated and the rear/front crossed. The LIME green indicate 'possible' contact damage with the guard rail (I believe the guard rail to be in that design and NOT shoved into the weird bow due to impact) The BLACK represent what I believe to have caused the damage to the car or what contacted. With more pictures I could tell you what it hit. But I believe it to be a sign post or some sort of turn warning. There are TWO posts in the picture. Look by the left rear tire. The post definitely hit the long or something low such as that post or it's concrete base. The post fell and struck the windscreen and passenger ooops, driver door. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) Right handed drive car... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) LEFT DOOR obviously was struck. I would bet the post with the sign (by left rear tire) struck the upper part of the door and the windscreen/support. THE PINK BOX. Here lies the WTF? question. How did this guy lose it BEFORE the turn. The red lines and dirt spray indicate the direction he is traveling. The driver lost this BEFORE getting to the APEX of the turn. So something happened such as getting a tire into the dirt or............................ A LOCK TIRE ALWAYS LEADS. This is why removing the proportioning valve is a BAD thing. When you pull the Parking Brake on a car is spins right? Well, the laws of physics cause that. A locked tire will always come around and lead! ALWAYS. I would bet the right side of the tires have scrub on the sidewalls. The vehicle rotated clockwise. So the driver had some sort of input....... MY CONCLUSION: The driver was driving hard and fast. He comes down a straight with heavy right foot. He does his braking BEFORE the turn as required. But his heavy right foot touches the brakes too hard and with the removal of the proportioning valve the rear tires lock. The vehicle rotates and then the driver is just along for the CIRCUS RIDE. A 914 spins so quick anyway. I bet the driver's seat cushion is needing replaced! Bet the driver SUCKED IT UP HIS ASS just off this camera view! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) Does anyone know where this happened and can get a GOOGLE earth view of the scene. It will tell me more or us more for sure. Be careful people, these cars only go where you put them. It's a shame and I'm glad all the people are fine. Except the driver who is removing leather from up his ASS! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) What a genius! You figured that all out from 10,000 miles away? Are you a CSI? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) nope he's just a washington state patrolman

TC 914-8	Jan 2 2010, 09:26 PM Post #65
Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 812 Joined: 23-May 08 From: Sequim, WA Member No.: 9,090 Region Association: Pacific Northwest	QUOTE(messix @ Jan 1 2010, 12:37 AM) QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Jan 1 2010, 01:27 AM) QUOTE(Mr.242 @ Dec 31 2009, 12:24 PM) Fixable. my .02 worth. Here is my "crash investigation" with the limited picture I have. The RED lines indicate that car had rotated and the rear/front crossed. The LIME green indicate 'possible' contact damage with the guard rail (I believe the guard rail to be in that design and NOT shoved into the weird bow due to impact) The BLACK represent what I believe to have caused the damage to the car or what contacted. With more pictures I could tell you what it hit. But I believe it to be a sign post or some sort of turn warning. There are TWO posts in the picture. Look by the left rear tire. The post definitely hit the long or something low such as that post or it's concrete base. The post fell and struck the windscreen and passenger ooops, driver door. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) Right handed drive car... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) LEFT DOOR obviously was struck. I would bet the post with the sign (by left rear tire) struck the upper part of the door and the windscreen/support. THE PINK BOX. Here lies the WTF? question. How did this guy lose it BEFORE the turn. The red lines and dirt spray indicate the direction he is traveling. The driver lost this BEFORE getting to the APEX of the turn. So something happened such as getting a tire into the dirt or............................ A LOCK TIRE ALWAYS LEADS. This is why removing the proportioning valve is a BAD thing. When you pull the Parking Brake on a car is spins right? Well, the laws of physics cause that. A locked tire will always come around and lead! ALWAYS. I would bet the right side of the tires have scrub on the sidewalls. The vehicle rotated clockwise. So the driver had some sort of input....... MY CONCLUSION: The driver was driving hard and fast. He comes down a straight with heavy right foot. He does his braking BEFORE the turn as required. But his heavy right foot touches the brakes too hard and with the removal of the proportioning valve the rear tires lock. The vehicle rotates and then the driver is just along for the CIRCUS RIDE. A 914 spins so quick anyway. I bet the driver's seat cushion is needing replaced! Bet the driver SUCKED IT UP HIS ASS just off this camera view! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) Does anyone know where this happened and can get a GOOGLE earth view of the scene. It will tell me more or us more for sure. Be careful people, these cars only go where you put them. It's a shame and I'm glad all the people are fine. Except the driver who is removing leather from up his ASS! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) What a genius! You figured that all out from 10,000 miles away? Are you a CSI? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) nope he's just a washington state patrolman I wonder where Mr.242 has been hiding? Great analysis ! Pass the word to the other WSP fellas to go easy on the 914 guys (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) This whole thread is a shame, its nice to see everyone coming together to help, or at least figure out a way to keep his car alive.

bdstone914	Jan 3 2010, 12:40 AM Post #66
bdstone914 Group: Members Posts: 4,542 Joined: 8-November 03 From: Riverside CA Member No.: 1,319	Thanks to all for your constructive replies. I am working with Meng to determine the best way to get him a very clean 1970 roller that I have. I do not think it is right for any of us to judge his driving ability or the cause of the accident. I started this thread to get knowable opinions on if that car should/could be fixed or start with a new car. Bruce

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bdstone914 Crashed 914 in Malaysia - Opinions please Dec 30 2009, 10:28 PM

rick 918-S Hard to really tell from those photos but if they ... Dec 30 2009, 10:33 PM

SirAndy Hard to really tell from those photos but if they... Dec 30 2009, 11:42 PM

underthetire R.I.P :barf: Dec 30 2009, 10:34 PM

ME733 :popcorn: ...Looks like another parts car to me. I... Dec 30 2009, 10:38 PM

ConeDodger :popcorn: ...Looks like another parts car to me. ... Dec 30 2009, 10:44 PM

SGB I say anything (almost) is repairable. Feasible? ... Dec 30 2009, 10:47 PM

championgt1 That looks pretty damn bad. :sick: :barf: I hope... Dec 30 2009, 10:49 PM

watsonrx13 Wow.... I hope he can fix it.... not many 914s in ... Dec 30 2009, 10:50 PM

6freak Probably pretty rare right hand drive going to it... Dec 30 2009, 10:51 PM

rick 918-S I have personally fixed worse wrecks than that. If... Dec 30 2009, 11:04 PM

Elliot Cannon He lives in Singapore and the car is one of only t... Dec 30 2009, 11:24 PM

rjames *I Edited my previous late-night snarkiness out.* ... Dec 30 2009, 11:32 PM

Smitty911 Sell him a shell, it will be alot easier to swap p... Dec 30 2009, 11:36 PM

kg6dxn Sell him a shell, it will be alot easier to swap ... Dec 31 2009, 12:53 AM

6freak [ . Big motor, no roll bar. It does have a r... Dec 31 2009, 01:16 PM

Dr Evil In Malaysia it is most likely economically feasibl... Dec 31 2009, 12:54 AM

mojorisen914 I wonder if he wants to sell it as is??? Dec 31 2009, 04:51 AM

dr914@autoatlanta.com we have repaired much worse! If it was a chea... Dec 31 2009, 08:52 AM

sean_v8_914 time to fix that puppy Dec 31 2009, 09:05 AM

jim_hoyland Accident photo. There are two 914's in Singapo... Dec 31 2009, 09:23 AM

jim_hoyland These may show better detail... Dec 31 2009, 10:43 AM

zymurgist Was there a passenger? It looks like that side to... Dec 31 2009, 10:53 AM

jim_hoyland Was there a passenger? It looks like that side t... Dec 31 2009, 12:59 PM

Socalandy If you look at the accident scene photo you can se... Dec 31 2009, 11:06 AM

kwales Ouch! Damage back behind the drivers door at ... Dec 31 2009, 11:59 AM

RobW There's what you see, and then what you don... Dec 31 2009, 01:44 PM

ConeDodger I can only speak for the Philippines but much of A... Dec 31 2009, 02:23 PM

RobW in the Philippines, my wife has a house and a co... Dec 31 2009, 03:34 PM

Mr.242 Fixable. my .02 worth. Here is my "crash i... Dec 31 2009, 02:24 PM

Elliot Cannon Fixable. my .02 worth. Here is my "crash ... Jan 1 2010, 02:27 AM

messix [quote name='Mr.242' post='1256844' date='Dec 31 ... Jan 1 2010, 02:37 AM

TC 914-8 [quote name='Mr.242' post='1256844' date='Dec 31... Jan 2 2010, 09:26 PM

bdstone914 Thanks to all for your constructive replies. I am... Jan 3 2010, 12:40 AM

SirAndy I am working with Meng to determine the best way ... Jan 5 2010, 11:56 AM

ConeDodger Very nice analysis! Dec 31 2009, 02:33 PM

6freak parts under the tree behind the car as well.......... Dec 31 2009, 04:31 PM

Travis Neff What would the tax be on a free tub - which had th... Dec 31 2009, 06:08 PM

ConeDodger What would the tax be on a free tub - which had t... Dec 31 2009, 09:07 PM

bcaschera The body vamage is for sure fixable, or at least r... Dec 31 2009, 10:43 PM

burton73 Bruce, I can get you a price from my freight brok... Jan 1 2010, 02:37 PM

johannes Me says there is some engeneering issue with that ... Jan 1 2010, 03:01 PM

jimtab Me says there is some engeneering issue with that... Jan 1 2010, 04:51 PM

johannes [quote name='johannes' post='1257073' date='Jan 1... Jan 1 2010, 05:04 PM

maf914 [quote name='jimtab' post='1257101' date='Jan 1 2... Jan 4 2010, 03:30 PM

6freak Me says there is some engeneering issue with that... Jan 1 2010, 10:03 PM

FourBlades The owner should invest some money in driver educa... Jan 1 2010, 05:31 PM

Joe Sharp The owner should invest some money in driver educ... Jan 2 2010, 07:01 AM

jim_hoyland :agree: Jan 2 2010, 09:09 AM

Lou W :agree: I remember him from the BBQ's, I ... Jan 2 2010, 11:20 AM

Mr.242 SOOOO....2 questions if you know him well. 1) ... Jan 2 2010, 02:03 PM

SirAndy 1) Can you tell us if he removed the proportionin... Jan 4 2010, 05:06 PM

markb 1) Can you tell us if he removed the proportioni... Jan 4 2010, 08:01 PM

jimtab 1) Can you tell us if he removed the proportioni... Jan 4 2010, 10:10 PM

RobW :agree: If its any consolation, I'm a crappy... Jan 3 2010, 08:26 AM

Joe Sharp Thanks Bruce, let me know if I can help. Jan 3 2010, 03:09 PM

Mr.242 Did we check on the seat cushion? Is it needed? ... Jan 4 2010, 10:53 AM

Kirmizi Andy... :lol4: Jan 4 2010, 05:12 PM

Joe Sharp :D Jan 5 2010, 09:29 AM

Rotary'14 Just seeing these pics make me want to cry (really... Jan 5 2010, 04:51 PM

Mr.242 1) Can you tell us if he removed the proportioni... Jan 13 2010, 09:47 AM

SirAndy [quote name='SirAndy' post='1258031' date='Jan 4 2... Jan 13 2010, 12:05 PM

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