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> How to keep/get Calif 914s' Old Original Plates ..., ... Resources & History of Plate Types & Colors, etc.
Tom_T
post Mar 1 2010, 08:45 PM
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OK All -

IIRC - with some 60% of the total 914 production coming into the USA, & 40% of the total going into California ALONE for first sale new - & with more Cali 914s surviving due to the milder climate out here ... . . .... that's a big chunk of the 914s still around today! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

There have been several posts with questions on how to (re-) register your 914 with expired reg. &/or old plates, etc.; as well as those who have somehow managed to hold onto their original issue plates & wondering if they can go back to them or keep them when registering their 914 for the road again.

Well, apparently Cal DMV & our illustrious Legislature have decided to clarify & expand a couple of programs for re-registering the original plates, as well as extending the date for the "Original Year of Manufacture" plates program to at least include those from 1969 build dates.

I too have an early 1973 MY 914-2.0 with its original plates, which has been out of registration & PNO for most of the time it's sat in my garage awaiting resto since 5/85 (no PNO since 12/92), so I went searching on the DMV website for more info., & found the following which may be helpful to the rest of you out there.

These are mostly hidden away in corners of the DMV website requiring some time searching, so hopefully I've saved you some time searching them out. If you've looked at them before, then please note that these were revised in mid & late 2009. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Got your old plates? ... bringing a former Cal 914 back? ... want to get repro Black & Gold plates for your 1969 Manufactured 914-6 or 914 (-4)? ... want to try out Historical Vehicle plates? ... read on & link out!

REASSIGNMENT OF OLD PLATES:
- NEW CHANGES ALLOW VEHICLES ON DATABASE TO GO BACK TO OLD PLATES:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vehindustry/vin_memo...009/09vin20.pdf

YEAR OF MANUFACTURE PLATE PROGRAM:
- ONLY UP TO 1969 my FOR AUTOS, BUT IN LATER YEARS THEY MAY EXTEND THIS FURTHER OUT AGAIN:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/about/lad/pdfs/yom/new_text.pdf
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/vehindustry/vin_memo...009/09vin09.pdf

HISTORY OF CAL PLATES & DMV:
- FOR THOSE ASKING WHEN WHICH PLATES/COLORS & NUMBERING SYSTEMS CAME IN:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/plates/licenseplthistory.htm
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/about/profile/milestones.htm
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/about/profile/history.htm

HISTORICAL VEHICLE PLATES:
- ANOTHER OPTION FOR 914s TO THE CURRENT "WHITE PLATES":
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d03/vc5004.htm

DMV HOME PAGE:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/

Additionally, DMV has apparently expanded what their "Business Partners" (e.g.: AAA, dealers, etc.) can now do with these areas above, because before it changed at the end of 2009, AAA had told me they couldn't do these services, but apparently now can do at least some of them in some cases. So there may be an upside to DMV's cutbacks of service with the state's budget crisis! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Cheers! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
Tom T
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post Mar 1 2010, 11:35 PM
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Clip from the DMV website you provided link to, note the last bullet...no go.

Additional details on definition of a "collector vehicle"

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AA flares, big wheels...boned on count 2.
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QUOTE(kconway @ Mar 1 2010, 09:35 PM) *

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Clip from the DMV website you provided link to, note the last bullet...no go.

Additional details on definition of a "collector vehicle"

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AA flares, big wheels...boned on count 2.


1. Tell them it came with the flares & tires - like they' know the diff.!! And one could make the argument that it IS per the Porsche M471 spec, as that's what AA's are modeled after! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

2. Find out the original number & create some or hunt them own ...... or maybe pay some old timer who made them at San Quentin back in the day to make you one!

Actually, it says that they are from the same type of vehicle (aiuto, truck or motorcycle) - NOT necessarily original to your 914, so maybe ANY blue plate set F&R will work. Underthetire said above that's what his Dad did with his 57 T-bird & just got a mtaching set at a swap meet.
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Actually, it says that they are from the same type of vehicle (aiuto, truck or motorcycle) - NOT necessarily original to your 914, so maybe ANY blue plate set F&R will work. Underthetire said above that's what his Dad did with his 57 T-bird & just got a mtaching set at a swap meet.


That is the YOM program though and it only runs through MY '69 on cars, '72 for commercial trucks. This is the program I hope they will eventually open up for '74 because you can find plates on ebay to use for this program.

BTW, I'm not trying to be a PIA. Just that this has been debated here in threads in the past...i'm still not on the winning side of this arguement! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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QUOTE(Tom_T @ Mar 1 2010, 09:56 PM) *


Actually, it says that they are from the same type of vehicle (aiuto, truck or motorcycle) - NOT necessarily original to your 914, so maybe ANY blue plate set F&R will work. Underthetire said above that's what his Dad did with his 57 T-bird & just got a mtaching set at a swap meet.

That is the YOM program though and it only runs through MY '69 on cars, '72 for commercial trucks. This is the program I hope they will eventually open up for '74 because you can find plates on ebay to use for this program.

BTW, I'm not trying to be a PIA. Just that this has been debated here in threads in the past...i'm still not on the winning side of this arguement! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


UPDATE - Kev & All - I stand corrected on this program - it says you must meet ALL 4 bullets, so if you don't have your 914's actual original plates, then you're SOL! May be worth searching around for them, unless you're sure that they were turned in or destroyed.

ALL - I'll leave the rest of this post up for those who still have both of their original plates (like myself), & for the other info relative to DMV offices, & as to getting "any set" of period correct plates for the YOM program.



Kev, it's the 4th bullet from the Collector plates reassignment program which you pasted above, & I've copied below with the section title & highlighted to area below:

<snipped from DMV document - with emphasis added>
Reassignment of Old Plates to a Collector Vehicle
New Policy
Old California plates (regular series) may be re-assigned to a collector vehicle, even if the vehicle has a database record under a different license plate, when all of the following conditions are met:

Evidence is submitted to show that the old plates were once registered (assigned) to the collector vehicle in California (see new requirements below).

The old plate number is not on record or reserved as a special interest plate in the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) database.

The old plate’s combination of letters and numbers do not carry any connotations offensive to good taste and decency.

The owner (collector) has both the front and rear old plates for an automobile or commercial vehicle or the single old plate for a motorcycle or trailer.
<end snip>

UPDATE - Note that while this is confusing wording on bullet 4 for plates from "...an automoblie", upon further reading it again, I see that it says you must meet all 4 bullets, so it implies that they must be from your car originally - not another set.

Note that it says F&R plates "...for an automobile" - NOT from the vehicle, which argues for any set of period correct plates. Am I correct in this interpretation - who knows for sure until you ask!!?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

Underthetire's Dad used the YOM procedure IIRC, but the use of another "non-specific to the vehicle" period correct plate(s) would be similar under the above - as I read this, which covers all collectible vehicles of any MY (so long as they meet their definition which you's also posted above).

Most of our 914's meet the definition, & IMHO even your & other 914s which are modified within the range of factory specifications/options vehicles would arguably meet their definition as "...Collector Vehicle – is a special interest vehicle of any age which is unaltered from the manufacturer's original specifications."

As for bigger tires & wheels - I doubt that they would care if vehicle "X" has the exact as originally delivered tires/wheels on it, let alone know what was on them!

As I suggested, you could make the case for - including documentation here & from Jeff Bowlsby's website - that yours is an M471 Option Spec. example, as restored to present condition to you. If the unaltered killer were taken to the extreme - as some attorneys try to do with stuff in courts - someone could be wrongfully rejected for having a repro sheet metal rust repair! Is that a correct interpretation? - NO! .... Could a DMV employee try to reject on that basis? - Of course, they just all don't care!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

I became curious about this, when another topic like this on here had someone post that they'd successfully done so by going to a 2nd DMV office (after an initial rejection at the 1st) & successfully argued a collector car point to keep his original blue plates just last year. IIRC, he even had to take his 914 in for an inspection. I believe that this new/updated plate reassignment policy is why they eventually approved it!

Different DMV offices have varying reputations for helpfulness or difficulty when dealing with the public. In our area Santa Ana is supposed to be one of the worst (& maybe Costa Mesa?), whereas Fullerton is supposed to be one of the better. We found this out after a couple of BS runarounds & an unwarranted (& not according to VC) "immediate failure" on a driving test, with our 2 kids a few years back at Santa Ana! It also varies from person to person (employee), time of day, type of day they're having (e.g.: let someone go ahead of you for the frowning employee & wait for the smiling friendly one at the counter stations).

Of course when you go there, if you use the line of reasoning which you're using here, you'll just help give them an excuse which they'd be more than happy to take up in order to avoid doing any extra work & not having to think for themselves! They're there at DMV to put in their time, collect a paycheck & hopefully last long enough to collect that generous state public employees pension which we're all paying for, and so will avoid any work or controversy or even having to "think" about something like the plague!!

Instead - you need to go in with all the rules, documentation, back-up & maybe even pix of factory M471 cars - & do EVERYTHING you possibly can for them - and it may take going to more than one person, office &/or submittal. If you're happy with the current white plates, then don't bother & avoid the hassle! If not, then go in well prepared, be persistent by going to several places/people at DMV if necessary, etc.

What more can I say!!?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) ... it's now up to you to make a run at DMV .... or not! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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Tom_T   How to keep/get Calif 914s' Old Original Plates ...   Mar 1 2010, 08:45 PM
silver74insocal   great research Tom thanks for sharing :beer2:   Mar 1 2010, 09:00 PM
kconway   I really wish they would extend this to cover my m...   Mar 1 2010, 09:42 PM
Tom_T   I really wish they would extend this to cover my ...   Mar 1 2010, 10:10 PM
kconway   I really wish they would extend this to cover my...   Mar 1 2010, 11:05 PM
Tom_T   [quote name='Tom_T' post='1280970' date='Mar 1 20...   Mar 1 2010, 11:23 PM
underthetire   My dad has the yellow background black letter plat...   Mar 1 2010, 09:53 PM
Tom_T   My dad has the yellow background black letter pla...   Mar 1 2010, 10:18 PM
underthetire   My dad has the yellow background black letter pl...   Mar 1 2010, 10:30 PM
Tom_T   [quote name='Tom_T' post='1280974' date='Mar 1 20...   Mar 1 2010, 10:37 PM
tradisrad   I hate my NEW plates. My car is 4/70 so no luck fo...   Mar 1 2010, 10:04 PM
Tom_T   I hate my NEW plates. My car is 4/70 so no luck f...   Mar 1 2010, 10:14 PM
orange914   good research tom, i had an experiance that may ad...   Mar 1 2010, 10:43 PM
Tom_T   good research tom, i had an experiance that may a...   Mar 1 2010, 10:53 PM
orange914   Mike, I recall all the changes, cuz my Grandpare...   Mar 1 2010, 11:18 PM
Tom_T   on yearly reg. didn't they give yellow plat...   Mar 1 2010, 11:29 PM
Tom_T   i went thru simular dmv battles in the early 90...   Mar 1 2010, 11:17 PM
underthetire   Hell, i might even have the black yellow ones hang...   Mar 1 2010, 10:43 PM
Tom_T   Hell, i might even have the black yellow ones han...   Mar 1 2010, 10:58 PM
RobW   So I shouldn't have any trouble re-registering...   Mar 1 2010, 10:56 PM
Tom_T   So I shouldn't have any trouble re-registerin...   Mar 1 2010, 11:02 PM
underthetire   I had the sunset plates on my first new car I ever...   Mar 1 2010, 11:23 PM
Tom_T   I had the sunset plates on my first new car I eve...   Mar 1 2010, 11:33 PM
kconway   Clip from the DMV website you provided link to, ...   Mar 1 2010, 11:35 PM
Tom_T   Clip from the DMV website you provided link to,...   Mar 1 2010, 11:56 PM
kconway   Actually, it says that they are from the same ty...   Mar 2 2010, 12:02 AM
Tom_T   Actually, it says that they are from the same t...   Mar 2 2010, 10:18 AM
orange914   o.k. i stand corrected. the white sunsets started...   Mar 1 2010, 11:37 PM
underthetire   o.k. i stand corrected. the white sunsets starte...   Mar 1 2010, 11:41 PM
Tom_T   o.k. i stand corrected. the white sunsets start...   Mar 1 2010, 11:48 PM
orange914   Nope - changed the year before in 87, according t...   Mar 2 2010, 12:05 AM
Tom_T   [quote name='Tom_T' post='1281024' date='Mar 1 20...   Mar 2 2010, 10:34 AM
orange914   Mike - according to this link, the personalized p...   Mar 2 2010, 03:00 PM
Tom_T   [quote name='Tom_T' post='1281157' date='Mar 2 20...   Mar 3 2010, 03:52 AM
Tom_T   o.k. i stand corrected. the white sunsets starte...   Mar 2 2010, 12:01 AM
underthetire   I'm not tryin at all. Figure you'd know it...   Mar 1 2010, 11:39 PM
Tom_T   I'm not tryin at all. Figure you'd know i...   Mar 1 2010, 11:59 PM
Cairo94507   As much as I would like to have period correct blu...   Mar 2 2010, 08:14 AM
Tom_T   As much as I would like to have period correct bl...   Mar 2 2010, 10:21 AM
Tom_T   OK - for those who have not linked to this documen...   Mar 2 2010, 11:47 AM
montoya 73 2.0   I keep seeing the words "collector car"....   Mar 4 2010, 10:16 PM
Tom_T   I keep seeing the words "collector car...   Mar 4 2010, 10:40 PM
montoya 73 2.0   IIRC I was told in order to register as Collector ...   Mar 4 2010, 10:54 PM
Tom_T   IIRC I was told in order to register as Collector...   Mar 5 2010, 01:55 PM
ericread   BTW - I got some pretty good quotes on collector...   Mar 5 2010, 03:19 PM
montoya 73 2.0   BTW - I got some pretty good quotes on collecto...   Mar 5 2010, 04:30 PM
Tom_T   [quote name='Tom_T' post='1282776' date='Mar 5 20...   Mar 5 2010, 04:38 PM
ericread   Another good thing which fortunately is national ...   Mar 31 2010, 02:33 PM
Tom_T   Another good thing which fortunately is national...   Mar 31 2010, 03:01 PM
RobW   Rob Sime has good info on insurance. I'm defin...   Mar 5 2010, 02:52 PM
Tom_T   Rob Sime has good info on insurance. I'm defi...   Mar 5 2010, 03:05 PM
jjbunn   Useful thread, Tom! The original blue plates ...   Mar 30 2010, 11:46 PM
Tom_T   Useful thread, Tom! The original blue plates...   Mar 31 2010, 12:31 AM
SLITS   Because of Tom, I took the DMV on over my '74...   Mar 31 2010, 05:01 PM
Tom_T   Because of Tom, I took the DMV on over my '7...   Mar 31 2010, 05:43 PM


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