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stainless heat exchanger shell set brand new, here is the story |
dr914@autoatlanta.com |
Mar 9 2010, 10:56 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,896 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
Here is the latest from Bosal in Belgium. Although they make some superb products, as you can see the exchanger shell set is very expensive. Although he reduced the quantity, we would have to send over our original heat exchangers so they could make a perfect model and then still pay the euro price plus shipping for the 45 sets.
If we had all of the sets pre sold we would have to sell them for a minimum of 475.00 a set just to cover everything! As you can see it is just not practical. What do all of you think? Dear Mr. Hussey, I’m Leo Gommans, product development manager at Bosal Research in Belgium. As development engineer I’m involved in our sub-project for classic car exhaust systems and we have been working with Ivo Verstraete from Porsche Classic Club Belgium on 914 mufflers. I received the message below some time ago, it is related to the heat-exchangers for 914 2.0L. I understand you are requesting a price indication for the heat-exchanger shells. Herewith I would like to give you such an indication. You’ll understand a new set of tooling needs to be made and the cost of it has to be amortized over a number of parts. We can offer a set of shells (L and R, i.e. 4 shells completing one vehicle set) for EUR 286,- excl. VAT, EXW. Bosal Lummen Belgium, for a first order quantity of 45 sets. To avoid the risk of miss-matching of shells, I propose to start from an agreed set of (original) shells, in this case it should be best that you send us this set. I hope this offer is fulfilling your expectations and could be the trigger for future cooperation. |
Tom_T |
Mar 10 2010, 12:54 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California |
Reality check Y'all ......
I got a very nice set of used 2.0 SSI SS HE's last year on TheSamba for $450 & the current going rate used is $400 - $600+ used DoQ for a pair - and they were at $600 - $800 used before the economy tanked, so expect them to go up again when it recovers. BTW - it has SS shell & tubes but mild steel muffler flanges - so add $40 + welder's charge to weld a pair of Engman's SS flanges & to weld a crack at one of the down-pipe ears, plus XX hours to clean them up with a wire brush (what's your time worth?) ...... get my drift!? IIRC new HE's for the 2.0 was +/- $1000 PER SIDE! So $500 for a new pair of SS HE's complete is NOT realistic - maybe per side,but I doubt it. I'd guess more in the $700 - $1000 range per side complete & all SS would be reasonable at maybe 2x or so what used sets are going for. George - I'd agree that getting SSI's tooling or them to restart is the way to go - even if a large order of 200 is required - or else buying the tooling if you can make another pass at John. I don't know him & his story like a lot of you do, but his SSI HEs were a great product for 914s & they'd be made in the USA - ostensibly with lower shipping & no duty & VAT (+/- 19.5% IIRC - making their $500 actually almost $600 + S&H to the USA) for the Belgium made ones. George - I also agree with the others as to your being the source for the other suppliers - or you could just have SSI make the 200 & sell to all the sources if he doesn't want to give you the exclusive. To the above "subscriber" lists, I'd add: Performance Products/Eckler's Sierra Madre Collection TC's Garage (Vista CA - Tom & Bev Gould) ... & notify just about every shop in the US, Canada & Mexico that works on 914s, as well as all of these 914 affinity websites (here, 914club, clubNARP, PCA's 914 Registry & Regions, etc.) - that they're now available again! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) As an alternative to you're being an exclusive supplier of the "new SSI's" (or Belgium ones) - perhaps the other parts suppliers on the combined lists would go in with you for a piece of the initial 200 - thereby breaking it into 25 or 50 apiece? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) George, have you looked back at your old business records to see how many HE's you'd sold in past years on average, when they were available? I would think that there are probably at least 50 - 100+ per year who either need them due to HE disintegration &/or choose to upgrade in a resto. |
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