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stainless heat exchanger shell set brand new, here is the story |
dr914@autoatlanta.com |
Mar 9 2010, 10:56 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,896 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
Here is the latest from Bosal in Belgium. Although they make some superb products, as you can see the exchanger shell set is very expensive. Although he reduced the quantity, we would have to send over our original heat exchangers so they could make a perfect model and then still pay the euro price plus shipping for the 45 sets.
If we had all of the sets pre sold we would have to sell them for a minimum of 475.00 a set just to cover everything! As you can see it is just not practical. What do all of you think? Dear Mr. Hussey, I’m Leo Gommans, product development manager at Bosal Research in Belgium. As development engineer I’m involved in our sub-project for classic car exhaust systems and we have been working with Ivo Verstraete from Porsche Classic Club Belgium on 914 mufflers. I received the message below some time ago, it is related to the heat-exchangers for 914 2.0L. I understand you are requesting a price indication for the heat-exchanger shells. Herewith I would like to give you such an indication. You’ll understand a new set of tooling needs to be made and the cost of it has to be amortized over a number of parts. We can offer a set of shells (L and R, i.e. 4 shells completing one vehicle set) for EUR 286,- excl. VAT, EXW. Bosal Lummen Belgium, for a first order quantity of 45 sets. To avoid the risk of miss-matching of shells, I propose to start from an agreed set of (original) shells, in this case it should be best that you send us this set. I hope this offer is fulfilling your expectations and could be the trigger for future cooperation. |
johannes |
Mar 10 2010, 10:51 AM
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Club Porsche 914 France President Group: Members Posts: 3,084 Joined: 13-January 06 From: France Member No.: 5,409 Region Association: France |
My opinion, there is a very small market for shells alone. People want bolt-on parts. I wouldn't pay 500 for shells to weld on rusty tubes ...
I also think there is no neet to manufacture 1.7 and 1.8 SSHEs. If you rebuilt your exhaust you can also buy the 2.0 muffler bracket and go for a 2.0 Muffler (original or aftermarket). |
dr914@autoatlanta.com |
Mar 10 2010, 11:37 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,896 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
My opinion, there is a very small market for shells alone. People want bolt-on parts. I wouldn't pay 500 for shells to weld on rusty tubes ... I also think there is no neet to manufacture 1.7 and 1.8 SSHEs. If you rebuilt your exhaust you can also buy the 2.0 muffler bracket and go for a 2.0 Muffler (original or aftermarket). I agree except for the concours guys. On an added note I think that the stainless steel tubing was really too thin go get a good seal plus they were noisy. These days with the limited use and high collector value, I think making just steel factory duplicate exchangers would be perfectly sufficient for the market. Dansk has not made them for years but maybe could be persuaded to remake a run. Maybe you could ask them? |
Tom_T |
Mar 10 2010, 01:11 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California |
My opinion, there is a very small market for shells alone. People want bolt-on parts. I wouldn't pay 500 for shells to weld on rusty tubes ... I also think there is no neet to manufacture 1.7 and 1.8 SSHEs. If you rebuilt your exhaust you can also buy the 2.0 muffler bracket and go for a 2.0 Muffler (original or aftermarket). I agree except for the concours guys. On an added note I think that the stainless steel tubing was really too thin go get a good seal plus they were noisy. These days with the limited use and high collector value, I think making just steel factory duplicate exchangers would be perfectly sufficient for the market. Dansk has not made them for years but maybe could be persuaded to remake a run. Maybe you could ask them? IIRC even our resident CW King Pat Garvey has SS HE's on his beloved 72 "Fritz"! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) However, I'm sure his are 1.7 SS HEs, so you'd want to offer both alignment of 1.7 & 2.0 HE's - although all the tubing could use the larger diameter 2.0 size - as in the prior SSI's (maybe 1.8 & 75-76 2.0 are different too & need separate runs?). So I'd disagree with Johannes on that too, since only a few will want to upgrade/backdate to the 73-74 2.0 HEs & muffler. I also agree with the full SS HE vs. shells - most of us really want/need/prefer bolt on replacement UNITS, & shells will only really appeal to the do-it-yursef crowd. In most cases, that would cut out your market for most commercial shops & dealers using it as a ready replacement for their customers. |
SirAndy |
Mar 10 2010, 01:39 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,679 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
However, I'm sure his are 1.7 SS HEs, so you'd want to offer both alignment of 1.7 & 2.0 HE's - although all the tubing could use the larger diameter 2.0 size - as in the prior SSI's (maybe 1.8 & 75-76 2.0 are different too & need separate runs?). So I'd disagree with Johannes on that too, since only a few will want to upgrade/backdate to the 73-74 2.0 HEs & muffler. There were never any SSIs for the 75/76 exhaust system. It's completely different than the earlier style. Any new SSIs would be for 70-74 cars or later cars with backdated exhaust system. I think a simple run of just 2.0L SSIs would be the best approach. Any 1.7/1.8 car can easily be changed over to the 2.0L exhaust design by adding a 2.0L muffler hanger and 2.0L muffler. The biggest advantage is that John at SSI already has all the tooling to do this. If George could get a few of the parts outlets to commit to resell some of these, the cost for 200 sets should be manageable. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) Andy |
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