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> My front oil cooler setup -- why's it failing?, Installed May 2007
GTeener
post Apr 28 2010, 03:59 PM
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May this be a lesson to us all (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

Driving from Fair Oaks/Sacramento to Vacaville last Sunday. Filled the tank up before leaving town (1/2 tank of Premium gas). During freeway drive, started noticing and getting concerned by the rising oil temp and falling oil pressure. Peaked at 260+ oil temp and the 30 psi oil pressure reading on the gauges.

The engine made a sputter crackle sound like it was running rich at one point in slow traffic at the Hwy 50 & Hwy 80 merge. There was a puff of dark smoke upon acceleration. The engine didn't stop sputtering and there's been a knocking sound ever since, but there's no dark smoke. Lost my go power too. Feels like it isn't in the proper gear or something. Possibly missing a cylinder??

I stopped for lunch in Davis to let the engine cool off and stretch the dog. Drove some more without any noticeable improvement in the temp or power situation. Stopped at a 76 station in Vacaville to look more closely.

There is oil in the tank and it looks clean, but the level is above the fill dot.
No distributor wires are loose. Engine bay looks clean...No obvious oil leaks/spray. Got flatbed towed the rest of the way home by AAA.

Best I can tell, the oil may not be circulating properly. Best guess is that the thermostat isn't opening or there is a block in the oil cooler line somewhere but don't know why.

Leamon Stansell (HealToe914) did the oil cooler setup work in May 2007 (pictures below).

The car hadn't been driven much since. Half the tank of gas was 7 mos old (Premium) when I hit the freeway on Sunday.

Waiting for Rich Walton at Jerry Woods Enterprises to give me the go ahead to have the car towed to them for further diagnosis and repair but thought it *might* be worth getting *the group's* opinions/experiences on the subject.



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J P Stein
post Apr 29 2010, 05:32 PM
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You've covered the spectrum on bad noises, from knocking to rattling.
Your last bit about the rattling could be tensioners which can lead to knocking....valves to pistons. Your pics show nothing untoward as far as they go...no looks at the oil line routings under the engine.

The high temp (which is waay too high...many mag cases have been destroyed by excessive heat....they warp the main crank bore) could be a symptom of internal engine defects......from the heat or causing the heat.
911 oil pumps are nearly bullet proof, but when they go, they do things in a big way. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blowup.gif)

A simple check is to drain the oil, pull the sump plate & strainer, and look for "chunks". If you get by that you have a chance.
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post Apr 29 2010, 05:54 PM
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QUOTE(J P Stein @ Apr 29 2010, 04:32 PM) *

You've covered the spectrum on bad noises, from knocking to rattling.
Your last bit about the rattling could be tensioners which can lead to knocking....valves to pistons. Your pics show nothing untoward as far as they go...no looks at the oil line routings under the engine.

The high temp (which is waay too high...many mag cases have been destroyed by excessive heat....they warp the main crank bore) could be a symptom of internal engine defects......from the heat or causing the heat.
911 oil pumps are nearly bullet proof, but when they go, they do things in a big way. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blowup.gif)

A simple check is to drain the oil, pull the sump plate & strainer, and look for "chunks". If you get by that you have a chance.



If I can get under the car while parked in my garage, or at least aim the camera, I will. Where should I aim it for you all to see?

The "simple check" is exactly what Rich Walton at Jerry Woods Enterprises says they plan to do as soon as they have space, time and I get the car towed there. I'm hoping within the next week. I'd like to be able to drive it up to Tahoe for the gathering, but that's being optimistic.
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GTeener   My front oil cooler setup -- why's it failing?   Apr 28 2010, 03:59 PM
SLITS   Gwen, it looks like a MOCAL thermostat in the thir...   Apr 28 2010, 04:04 PM
GTeener   Gwen, it looks like a MOCAL thermostat in the thi...   Apr 28 2010, 04:14 PM
Root_Werks   I'm starting to think a failed(ing) oil pump. ...   Apr 28 2010, 04:05 PM
SLITS   Long lines don't create that great of restrict...   Apr 28 2010, 04:12 PM
76-914   Long lines don't create that great of restric...   Apr 28 2010, 08:50 PM
pcar916   Bummer <_< Hope it's easy and cheap. I...   Apr 28 2010, 04:28 PM
rwilner   I run 18 qts of synthetic oil. Holy Crap!...   Apr 28 2010, 07:47 PM
pcar916   ... Also, you have the oil inlet (on the front coo...   Apr 28 2010, 04:34 PM
Eric_Shea   I have a new MoCal if that's what's needed...   Apr 28 2010, 04:37 PM
Dr Evil   pcar, I have heard that putting your thermostat in...   Apr 28 2010, 04:53 PM
pcar916   pcar, I have heard that putting your thermostat i...   Apr 28 2010, 05:15 PM
GTeener   pcar, I have heard that putting your thermostat i...   Apr 28 2010, 05:18 PM
ConeDodger   What would a pulled head stud do?   Apr 28 2010, 05:25 PM
siverson   I think this is easy... You need much more air int...   Apr 28 2010, 05:26 PM
GTeener   I think this is easy... You need much more air in...   Apr 28 2010, 06:47 PM
9146986   I'd respectfully disagree with Steve. Just ru...   Apr 28 2010, 06:53 PM
SLITS   My assumption was that the cooler was installed pr...   Apr 28 2010, 07:38 PM
GTeener   My assumption was that the cooler was installed p...   Apr 28 2010, 08:48 PM
DanT   My assumption was that the cooler was installed ...   Apr 28 2010, 08:51 PM
sww914   I think (for now) that the oil temperature is a sy...   Apr 28 2010, 09:02 PM
jt914-6   I agree with things that have been said: 1. Liste...   Apr 28 2010, 10:11 PM
Justinp71   Definately sounds like your oil system was clogged...   Apr 28 2010, 10:37 PM
PRS914-6   Easy to diagnose..... Fire it up and wait until i...   Apr 28 2010, 11:15 PM
campbellcj   I know in my car when I had the 2.2S-ish engine, t...   Apr 29 2010, 12:22 AM
Heeltoe914   Hi Gwen sorry to hear about you’re car acting up...   Apr 29 2010, 01:05 AM
GTeener   Hi Gwen sorry to hear about you’re car acting u...   Apr 29 2010, 08:57 AM
SirAndy   Apparently the biggest lesson here is that I shou...   Apr 29 2010, 11:06 AM
GTeener   Apparently the biggest lesson here is that I sho...   Apr 29 2010, 11:17 AM
Heeltoe914   My assumption was that the cooler was installed ...   Apr 29 2010, 01:15 AM
turboman808   I didn't see anyone mention this and was wonde...   Apr 29 2010, 06:55 AM
SLITS   I didn't see anyone mention this and was wond...   Apr 29 2010, 07:18 AM
McMark   :agree: with Ron. Looking at fuel related issues ...   Apr 29 2010, 11:41 AM
dion9146   Lots of good info and suggestions and I probably c...   Apr 29 2010, 12:09 PM
GTeener   More pix of my car config.   Apr 29 2010, 12:23 PM
GTeener   Engine bay pix   Apr 29 2010, 12:24 PM
GTeener   :type:   Apr 29 2010, 12:25 PM
Eric_Shea   Trunk pix - I don't think your exit wounds are...   Apr 29 2010, 12:40 PM
rick 918-S   Gwen, I didn't read where you tried to start a...   Apr 29 2010, 12:55 PM
GTeener   Gwen, I didn't read where you tried to start ...   Apr 29 2010, 12:59 PM
rick 918-S   I'm wondering if the carbs are fouled or the f...   Apr 29 2010, 03:56 PM
GTeener   I'm wondering if the carbs are fouled or the ...   Apr 29 2010, 05:08 PM
J P Stein   You've covered the spectrum on bad noises, fr...   Apr 29 2010, 05:32 PM
GTeener   You've covered the spectrum on bad noises, f...   Apr 29 2010, 05:54 PM
J P Stein   You've covered the spectrum on bad noises, ...   Apr 29 2010, 06:04 PM
GTeener   So...JWE is really booked up and can't take my...   May 7 2010, 02:50 PM
john rogers   In looking at the pictures I had several questions...   May 7 2010, 03:25 PM
GTeener   In looking at the pictures I had several question...   May 7 2010, 03:31 PM
rick 918-S   If I lived closer I would be right over! Someo...   May 7 2010, 03:37 PM
GTeener   If I lived closer I would be right over! Some...   May 7 2010, 03:38 PM
campbellcj   Maybe Bontempi (HPH) can help?   May 7 2010, 04:23 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   Just curious, why do you need a front cooler? Is y...   May 7 2010, 04:30 PM
DanT   I was going to say that JWE is not the only shop w...   May 7 2010, 04:31 PM
kg6dxn   Call Canepa Design in Scotts Valley. They may be a...   May 7 2010, 05:36 PM
SLITS   One thing I didn't reveal in this discussion w...   May 7 2010, 08:32 PM
rick 918-S   One thing I didn't reveal in this discussion ...   May 7 2010, 09:30 PM
john rogers   If it were me, I'd pull all the plugs and do a...   May 7 2010, 10:15 PM
GTeener   So I've got Tom Amon coming Friday afternoon t...   May 11 2010, 05:16 PM
Cap'n Krusty   Having read through this (Hi, Gwen!), I have a...   May 11 2010, 05:41 PM
GTeener   Having read through this (Hi, Gwen!), I have ...   May 11 2010, 05:45 PM
elmonte   You're in good hands with Tom. He's done w...   May 11 2010, 05:43 PM
GTeener   You're in good hands with Tom. He's done ...   May 11 2010, 05:47 PM
GTeener   :barf: :headbang: Metal flakes in the oil filte...   May 14 2010, 07:09 PM
GTeener   :barf: :headbang: Metal flakes in the oil filte...   May 14 2010, 07:10 PM
RobW   :barf: :headbang: Metal flakes in the oil filt...   May 14 2010, 07:16 PM
GTeener   :barf: :headbang: Metal flakes in the oil fil...   May 14 2010, 07:20 PM
RobW   [quote name='RobW' post='1318430' date='May 14 20...   May 14 2010, 07:22 PM
ArtechnikA   What I need now is a lot of Single Malt Scotch ...   May 15 2010, 06:20 AM
DanT   ouch.... have you had any contact with the interim...   May 14 2010, 07:14 PM
GTeener   ouch.... have you had any contact with the interi...   May 14 2010, 07:17 PM
GTeener   Current plan: rebuild bottom end replace MFI w/ CI...   May 14 2010, 07:16 PM
DanT   what is the reasoning behind replacing the MFI wit...   May 14 2010, 07:19 PM
DanT   2x   May 14 2010, 07:19 PM
DanT   you might be able to find a complete 2.7 for less ...   May 14 2010, 07:21 PM
RobW   you might be able to find a complete 2.7 for less...   May 14 2010, 07:24 PM
campbellcj   Sorry to hear about the carnage! I have a m...   May 14 2010, 11:54 PM
GTeener   I :wub: Ya'll. I'm going to just let Tom ...   May 15 2010, 12:38 AM
koozy   You are in good hands with Tom. Wishing your car a...   May 15 2010, 01:20 AM
rick 918-S   I feel your pain. I brok a cam shaft on the 928 en...   May 15 2010, 06:19 AM
campbellcj   Ah....Rich beat me to it. One small benefit of bei...   May 15 2010, 10:22 AM
ArtechnikA   Ah....Rich beat me to it. One small benefit of be...   May 15 2010, 11:11 AM
campbellcj   The cam drive is a factor but not a huge one. Un...   May 15 2010, 11:54 AM
ArtechnikA   Good point - I kinda forgot about injectors, LOL....   May 15 2010, 01:45 PM
campbellcj   Good point - I kinda forgot about injectors, LOL...   May 15 2010, 02:14 PM
charliew   I'm not a 6 porsche guy and don't think I ...   May 15 2010, 11:06 AM
ArtechnikA   ...I will be happily surprised if this deal is do...   May 15 2010, 11:18 AM
Cap'n Krusty   Gonna be an eyeopener coming up. CIS requires mil...   May 15 2010, 01:40 PM
ArtechnikA   ...2.4 CIS heads, the ones you're gonna need,...   May 15 2010, 02:43 PM
Phoenix 914-6GT   Why would you get rid of your MFI? :confused: It...   May 15 2010, 02:59 PM
carr914   Why would you get rid of your MFI? :confused: It...   May 16 2010, 04:58 AM
pcar916   How many folks are still percolatin' that can ...   May 16 2010, 08:40 AM
ArtechnikA   How many folks are still percolatin' that can...   May 16 2010, 09:05 AM
Phoenix 914-6GT   How many folks are still percolatin' that can...   May 16 2010, 12:26 PM
Cap'n Krusty   I just read this whole thread. Wanders a bit, huh...   May 16 2010, 10:09 AM
GTeener   So John, just to pullover to the side a moment, wh...   May 16 2010, 10:19 AM
ArtechnikA   So John, just to pullover to the side a moment, w...   May 16 2010, 01:15 PM
burton73   E or S it does not matter. The E has a faster ¼ m...   May 16 2010, 12:14 PM
campbellcj   E or S it does not matter. The E has a faster ¼ ...   May 16 2010, 12:19 PM
charliew   S parts cost more right?   May 16 2010, 12:21 PM
burton73   S parts cost more right? Not true. All factory...   May 16 2010, 12:28 PM
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