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| nick mironov |
May 6 2010, 12:32 PM
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nickm ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 12-June 05 From: San Francisco, CA Member No.: 4,264 |
My Renegade water pump failed yesterday. The pump impeller is stamped steel and the blades all just folded over or sheared off. I understand that the cast impellers are much stronger, but that not all manufacturer's cast models will fit into the Renegade housing. Anybody have experience with cast impeller pumps that will fit into the Renegade housing?
Since there is no bypass in the Renegade system, Renegade instructions are to limit the motor RPM to 3,000, or less, untill the thermostat opens. I have observed this, but the pump still failed after 5,500 miles. Renegade now makes a bypass kit, which I going to try, but I would still like to get a more durable pump. Nick |
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| nick mironov |
May 26 2010, 10:00 AM
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nickm ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 12-June 05 From: San Francisco, CA Member No.: 4,264 |
This is the Test Setup.
Although the pump housing has two outlets, for convenience, I decided to use one for the pressure gauge and use the other for the output flow. If one were to test both outlets, I would not expect double the flow – maybe only 30% more. That would correspond well to the advertised pump rating of about 40 gpm at 4,000 RPM that I have seen. ![]() The motive force for spinning the pumps during testing was a 2,500 RPM hand-drill attached to the protruding bolt on the blue-colored channel that you see in the picture. Unfortunately, the drill could not achieve the full 2,500 RPM under load, so I had to settle for whatever it could do. As a result I had to calculate the resulting water pressures at higher RPMs. The calculated results (list image) do seem to correspond to real conditions, indicating very high pressures at dead head conditions - thermostat is closed during cold engine conditions and not having a bypass. Note that a nearly closed thermostat could be experienced under cruise conditions in very mild weather resulting in the same high pressure effect. Based on my experience and many other posts that I have read about failed pump impellers, the high pressure conditions do happen and that’s what results in catastrophic pump failures. The objective of this testing is to find a pump impeller that is more durable (able to withstand dead head pressures) and to possibly produce less pressure without sacrificing much water flow. Note that the Chrysler big block pumps were used on engines running at about 4,000 rpm, and in my case, my 283 SBC can run to over 6,000 rpm. |
nick mironov SBC V8 Water Pump Failure May 6 2010, 12:32 PM
messix some else just had this problem less than six mont... May 6 2010, 12:35 PM
wallys914 You run a Thermostat? I don't... but then agai... May 6 2010, 01:00 PM
Bruce Hinds It's a mopar impeller, they make a few differe... May 6 2010, 01:01 PM
zymurgist I drilled a 1/16" hole in the flange of my t-... May 6 2010, 01:43 PM
SLITS It is hard to imagine that a pump would see suffic... May 6 2010, 05:24 PM
kg6dxn Buy a Mopar Performance high flow water pump for a... May 6 2010, 06:34 PM
nick mironov This type of failure is a typical problem with th... May 6 2010, 09:07 PM
messix
This type of failure is a typical problem with t... May 6 2010, 09:14 PM
kg6dxn
This type of failure is a typical problem with t... May 6 2010, 09:15 PM
computers4kids
[quote name='nick mironov' post='1314826' date='M... May 6 2010, 10:06 PM
kg6dxn Found one for you.
http://www.summitracing.com/pa... May 6 2010, 09:22 PM
messix it's the cavitation that bends the impellers. ... May 6 2010, 09:23 PM
kg6dxn Here's a marine version.
http://marineenginep... May 6 2010, 09:35 PM
TC 914-8 Yep I was one of those recient failures.
I went ... May 6 2010, 11:44 PM
messix
Yep I was one of those recient failures.
I went... May 7 2010, 08:43 AM
nick mironov That failure looks exactly like mine...
The threa... May 6 2010, 11:56 PM
jimkelly maybe i will just keep running my stock water pump... May 7 2010, 04:58 AM
SLITS In the other thread, someone asked what Ford did t... May 7 2010, 07:08 AM
SLITS Here's the deal. I will send a pump (that was... May 7 2010, 08:56 AM
nick mironov I will take you up on this. My housing is out of t... May 7 2010, 06:14 PM
marks914 Just find the right impeller assembly and replace ... May 7 2010, 08:05 PM
nick mironov This is the Lineup of the Tested Impellers.
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Th... May 26 2010, 10:02 AM

nick mironov Failed Stamped Impeller.
The impeller failed duri... May 26 2010, 10:04 AM

nick mironov Replacement Stamped Impeller
This is an exact rep... May 26 2010, 10:05 AM

nick mironov 3.66” Diameter Cast Impeller
This is the small ... May 26 2010, 10:06 AM

nick mironov 4.365” Cast Impeller
I first thought that the i... May 26 2010, 10:07 AM

nick mironov The Housing
May 26 2010, 10:08 AM

nick mironov Replacement Stamped Impeller in Housing
Note that... May 26 2010, 10:09 AM

nick mironov 4.365” Cast Impeller in Housing
There is also g... May 26 2010, 10:10 AM

nick mironov 4.365” Cast Impeller in Housing
Note that there... May 26 2010, 10:11 AM

nick mironov 3.66” Cast Impeller in Housing
Note the very sm... May 26 2010, 10:12 AM

nick mironov Housing
After I finished testing everything, I cl... May 26 2010, 10:13 AM

nick mironov 3.66” Cast Impeller in Housing after Beveling th... May 26 2010, 10:14 AM

nick mironov [b]The Results
Since I did not have test equipmen... May 26 2010, 10:16 AM

BRAVE_HELIOS Love this write-up!!
I am in the market f... Oct 5 2011, 10:03 PM
BRAVE_HELIOS
[b]This is the Test Setup.
Although the pump ho... Nov 1 2010, 01:46 PM
kg6dxn Very nice. Thanks for doing the research for our b... May 26 2010, 03:29 PM
TC 914-8 Great write up, details and data.
When I was look... May 26 2010, 11:29 PM
drive-ability I had a similar problem, I looked around and found... May 27 2010, 07:38 AM
LvSteveH This is Scott using Steve's 914 World account ... Jun 1 2010, 04:47 PM
nick mironov I purchased Scott's / Renegade's bypass th... Jun 2 2010, 01:02 AM
SLITS Ok, last bit of information I will post on this.
... Jun 2 2010, 01:50 PM
nick mironov The Renegade system thermostat with bypass is now ... Jun 6 2010, 10:54 AM
nick mironov RE: SBC V8 Water Pump Failure Jun 6 2010, 10:55 AM
nick mironov RE: SBC V8 Water Pump Failure Jun 6 2010, 10:55 AM
nick mironov RE: SBC V8 Water Pump Failure Jun 6 2010, 10:56 AM
nick mironov The only problem I had was that the Renegade ... Jun 6 2010, 10:58 AM
nick mironov RE: SBC V8 Water Pump Failure Jun 6 2010, 10:59 AM
PRS914-6 First let me say that I have never done a SBC conv... Jun 6 2010, 04:49 PM![]() ![]() |
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