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> Door fit problems - or worse.
andrewb
post Aug 18 2010, 10:23 AM
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Hi - here are a few pics of my car which needs 'quite a lot' of work.

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The immediate problem I'm trying to solve is this - the drivers side door gap - at the forward edge.

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There is no adjustment that I can see (i.e. no shims on the hinge mount) which can only mean that the front wing (sorry, fender) is 'out'. As far as I can tell it is the original.

My questions are

1. Would it have left the factory like that ? I've read that tolerances were a bit slack by todays standards. The door gap on the drivers side is about 4mm more than on the passengers side. It hangs low by about 5mm when open but lines up perfectly when closed. There is no discernable play in the hinges. The door does shut with a liitle resistance but does not open and close as freely as the passenger side. Gaps on that side are a steady and even 2 to 3 mm front and back. Roll bar to windscreen frame dimensions are equal side to side within 1mm and do not change when the doors are open. The doors are the same size.

2. If it didn't leave the factory like that - what has caused it ? The car has had a light knock on the left front corner which I will show in my next post but the damage doesn't appear to extend any further back than where the inner wheel arch meets the bulkhead between the fuel tank and spare wheel well. The inner longs are completely shot both sides, the inner INNER longs are shot up to about 2" above the floor, the floors are fairly bad and the hell hole is good. I'll show all this with future pics.

3. Can I put it right and if so how ? Again - more pictures following will help you to decide.

Thanks in advance. The knowledge on this forum is priceless.
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charliew
post Aug 19 2010, 06:43 PM
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I also think Rick is dead on. You can probably just put a jack on the driver front suspension point and just jack up a little and watch the door gap get better. Rick's idea with the wire seems real good and accurate though and you will need it to brace the tub before you start. I would like to know it is straight as possible and well braced before I start. I know it will move a lot but at least you will know what moved it after you start and be able to correct it. If it is straighter after you finish than it is now you have really done a good job, this will not be easy and I have done a lot of body sheetmetal replacements and would never try one this bad.

It depends on when the stripes were put on but what do they look like with a long straight edge laid under them compared to the good side? Does it show the door to fender misalignment? If it does that means it's happened since the stripes were put on. I really think it's the way it is supported on the blocks though.
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post Aug 20 2010, 02:44 AM
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QUOTE(charliew @ Aug 20 2010, 01:43 AM) *

I really think it's the way it is supported on the blocks though.


That is something that's crossed my mind - the problem was finding somewhere strong enough to take the weight that wouldn't get in the way of the work I needed to do. I'm not totally happy with it which is why I'm working on a jig that will pick up on suspension points - the good ones !. My concern there is that by moving the supporting points outwards the car will sag in the middle so I'll have to build in some floor support as well. So I end up with the kind of arrangement Rick shows under that Merc. Thanks for that input Rick - much appreciated.

The plan now is -
1. More accurate and even support under the whole car
2. Sort the longs
3. Do I then do the front suspension or do I still need to do the floor first ?

Thanks again to you all.
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andrewb   Door fit problems - or worse.   Aug 18 2010, 10:23 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   doesn't look so bad to me! Remember thes...   Aug 18 2010, 10:39 AM
realred914   hard to say what is wrong, lot of things can cuase...   Aug 18 2010, 10:42 AM
McMark   Generally that gap only gets bigger from some sort...   Aug 18 2010, 10:43 AM
andrewb   This is the evidence of the damage at the front. ...   Aug 18 2010, 10:50 AM
bandjoey   That does look like a wider than normal gap in the...   Aug 18 2010, 10:59 AM
andrewb   Also add your vin# to the database here if you ...   Aug 20 2010, 03:19 PM
andrewb   Wow ! replies to my first post from McMark AND...   Aug 18 2010, 11:06 AM
Tom_T   One of the (many) next jobs is this I wouldn...   Aug 18 2010, 01:15 PM
realred914   One of the (many) next jobs is this I would...   Aug 18 2010, 01:27 PM
McMark   This looks like evidence of replacement. Better p...   Aug 18 2010, 11:06 AM
andrewb   This looks like evidence of replacement. Better ...   Aug 18 2010, 11:11 AM
andrewb   This looks like evidence of replacement. Better...   Aug 18 2010, 11:35 AM
andrewb   This looks like evidence of replacement. Better ...   Aug 20 2010, 03:02 AM
jmill   It sounds like you were eyeballing my thread. If ...   Aug 18 2010, 11:20 AM
andrewb   It sounds like you were eyeballing my thread. I...   Aug 18 2010, 11:34 AM
andrewb   It sounds like you were eyeballing my thread. If...   Aug 19 2010, 02:37 AM
jmill   If it were me I wouldn't concern myself with t...   Aug 18 2010, 12:06 PM
70_914   Those stripes look pretty good... :idea: Are ...   Aug 18 2010, 02:27 PM
andrewb   Those stripes look pretty good... :idea: Are...   Aug 19 2010, 02:06 AM
veltror   Another rusty one in the UK being brought back to ...   Aug 19 2010, 06:29 AM
einic   My 72 914 also have this uneven openings. And: the...   Aug 19 2010, 06:44 AM
rick 918-S   :wttc: You have a real challenge ahead of you. Th...   Aug 19 2010, 07:52 AM
Tom   Andrewb, :wttc: Quite the project you have ...   Aug 19 2010, 07:55 AM
rick 918-S   Measure down the wire and set up a cross bar. ...   Aug 19 2010, 07:59 AM
charliew   I also think Rick is dead on. You can probably jus...   Aug 19 2010, 06:43 PM
andrewb   I really think it's the way it is supported o...   Aug 20 2010, 02:44 AM
rick 918-S   I would fix the floors and longs and fit the doors...   Aug 20 2010, 11:46 AM
andrewb   Message received Rick. Drivers side long is first ...   Aug 20 2010, 03:06 PM


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