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> Is this a good location for a wideband?
tornik550
post Aug 24 2010, 08:31 PM
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I have been having issues tuning my carbs. I finally decided to by a wideband air fuel package. I have searched and found several responses. I just want to triple check before I weld the bung. Is the area that is circled a good place to put the bung. I plan on putting it on the front side so it will not be noticeable from the rear- I just didn't have a picture of that side.


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post Aug 25 2010, 12:37 PM
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I am very interested in your collective experience as I see VERY unusual results from my WB O2 from Innovate;
In a 1.9l L-jet motor with about 8.6 to 1 CR I get the following results from the Innovate display;
Idle - 22
Mid range (mid throttle) - 14
Full throttle - 8

Now, the car runs very well, so these reading don't make any sense?

Any clue as to what I did wrong?

My O2 sensor is mounted at the 3o'clock position so it is not optimal, but not bad.
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post Aug 26 2010, 06:00 AM
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I am very interested in your collective experience as I see VERY unusual results from my WB O2 from Innovate;
In a 1.9l L-jet motor with about 8.6 to 1 CR I get the following results from the Innovate display;
Idle - 22
Mid range (mid throttle) - 14
Full throttle - 8

Now, the car runs very well, so these reading don't make any sense?

Any clue as to what I did wrong?

My O2 sensor is mounted at the 3o'clock position so it is not optimal, but not bad.


You are running rich. Think about how this works.
Decelerating you have just shut off the gas so of course it is lean, you are only sucking air. No load so this is normal.
22:1 at Idle is a bit lean but it has no load so it is most likely fine.

Mid throttle will fluctuate and 14:1 may be about right. Try it again going up a slight hill for a proper reading.

Full throttle or part throttle under load, now you have a load and the reading becomes very important on our aircooled engines I aim for 12.5-13:1 they like a little rich as it helps with cooling. WC engine can run leaner and I'd aim for stoich (stoichiometric )which is 14.7:1. I love our long gradual hills as they are perfect for taking readings through the RPM range under part load. In a perfect world you should be hitting 12.5-13.5 through all RPM's going up that slight hill and when you are accelerating.

3 wire lambdas defiantly must be powered or removed. One wires don't need to be powered, but most one wire are narrow band and only read about 14:1 to 15:1 or close to stoich. Also one wires depend on the exhaust heat to work, this take more than a couple of minutes and on a new engine break-in you could damage the engine before your meter even starts working.
Using a 3 wire it doesn't care how close you are to the heads, it's measuring oxygen. On a one wire you would want it close to the head as it doesn't even begin to work till it's about 600*F. 3 wire is better on our cars for sure.
You could mount you lambda up to 8-4 o'clock, basically you don't want it sitting in a pool of water after shutdown.

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I thought these things were used mainly with computer controlled fuel injection. Can they be of mucn help if you use carbs? Is it worth the expense?


Do you like pulling your plugs using the old school method to see if you're running lean?
I don't buy jets (unless I need smaller, not often), I have my meter and a set of jet reamers. I can fine tune a set of carbs in one afternoon and be done with it.
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tornik550   Is this a good location for a wideband?   Aug 24 2010, 08:31 PM
kg6dxn   Looks OK. You want it at the merge. The only probl...   Aug 24 2010, 08:52 PM
sean_v8_914   go to innovate web site and read o2 sensor install...   Aug 24 2010, 09:00 PM
charliew   Also put the sensor on the top to keep moisture fr...   Aug 24 2010, 09:01 PM
tornik550   Thanks for the great advice   Aug 25 2010, 06:49 AM
john rogers   The comment about on top is correct due to moistur...   Aug 25 2010, 09:38 AM
tomeric914   I used Bosch 3 wire sensors and GM weather seal c...   Aug 25 2010, 12:58 PM
kg6dxn   I used Bosch 3 wire sensors and GM weather seal ...   Aug 25 2010, 01:33 PM
Cevan   I am in the middle of installing a WB myself. I...   Aug 25 2010, 12:19 PM
Cupomeat   :popcorn: :popcorn: I am very interested in your...   Aug 25 2010, 12:37 PM
Mark Henry   :popcorn: :popcorn: I am very interested in you...   Aug 26 2010, 06:00 AM
charliew   :popcorn: :popcorn: I am very interested in you...   Aug 26 2010, 01:31 PM
jk76.914   :popcorn: :popcorn: I am very interested in you...   Aug 28 2010, 08:12 AM
Elliot Cannon   I thought these things were used mainly with compu...   Aug 25 2010, 02:02 PM
Cupomeat   I thought these things were used mainly with comp...   Aug 25 2010, 02:08 PM
Dr Evil   I'll be wiring the one in the bus soon. :popco...   Aug 25 2010, 02:30 PM
john rogers   The question about needing one with carbs is a goo...   Aug 25 2010, 02:42 PM
jk76.914   I've read from a couple of sources that you DO...   Aug 26 2010, 04:27 AM
tornik550   I've read from a couple of sources that you D...   Aug 26 2010, 06:54 AM
Mark Henry   11 is too rich, best power and cooling on an airco...   Aug 26 2010, 02:00 PM
sean_v8_914   the innovate is fast. It can sample each individua...   Aug 27 2010, 09:10 PM
Elliot Cannon   Looks like I'll be looking for one of these wi...   Aug 28 2010, 12:20 AM
Mark Henry   Looks like I'll be looking for one of these w...   Aug 28 2010, 08:14 AM


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