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> MegaSquirt trigger wheel sensor solution, What's your design??
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post Aug 30 2010, 11:16 PM
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Hi guys!

I’m planning to upgrade my D-jet system on a 75 2.0 (2056) with a MegaSquirt system.

I’m still debating how to mount the trigger-wheel-sensor and would like to see some of your solutions.

Thank you for your input,
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post Aug 31 2010, 08:02 PM
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We haven't seen any benefits of sequential on a street engine, even at high RPM, batch fire also generally makes more torque. Single cylinder fuel trim may not be able to increase performance overall, but they can be used to eliminate EGT delta between cylinders. These generally exist due to induction and exhaust system packaging compromises and they can kill valve jobs.

There is NOTHING worse than a system that is impossible to interface with.
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QUOTE(Jake Raby @ Aug 31 2010, 06:02 PM) *

We haven't seen any benefits of sequential on a street engine, even at high RPM, batch fire also generally makes more torque. Single cylinder fuel trim may not be able to increase performance overall, but they can be used to eliminate EGT delta between cylinders. These generally exist due to induction and exhaust system packaging compromises and they can kill valve jobs.

There is NOTHING worse than a system that is impossible to interface with.


From what i have read on the theory behind it the only advantage to sequential injection would be at low RPMs and most likely only have a slight effect on emmissions and possibly efficency. The bennifit supposedly being that with sequential injection you are shooting the fuel into an open valve where as in batch injection at least half of your injectors are shooting on closed valves. This is all fine and good when engine speed is low, injector pulses are short, and the time the valve stays open is long. As the engine speeds up under load the time the valves are open gets shorter and the injector pulses get longer. Before long you are firing your injectors on valves that have not yet opened or already closed.

At what point in the engines range this occurs depends on the engines fuel needs and and the injectors used but you can do some quick math to get a rough idea.

3000 RPM is 50 RPS or one revolution every 2ms and that is for the entire rotation, depending on the cam used the time the valve stays open is going to be some fraction of that. You can look at Megasquirt to see how long your injection pulses are but in most cases an injection time of 2ms is passed well before 3000 rpm, in fact the megasquirt manual states that you want your pulse width at IDLE to be no less then 2ms, meaning even with sequential injection, the majority of the time you are still injecting on a closed valve.

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draganc   MegaSquirt trigger wheel sensor solution   Aug 30 2010, 11:16 PM
McMark   My design is available here. http://www.914world....   Aug 30 2010, 11:24 PM
hcdmueller   I bought the McMark trigger wheel. It fits perfec...   Aug 31 2010, 01:55 AM
SLKWrx   I've got the same setup and the fit/finish is ...   Aug 31 2010, 06:57 AM
draganc   I will go with Van's design (2nd pic from the ...   Aug 31 2010, 07:36 AM
McMark   The only change in the final sensor mount is that ...   Aug 31 2010, 09:58 AM
draganc   The only change in the final sensor mount is that...   Aug 31 2010, 02:11 PM
McMark   My newest shipment of wheels is shipping right now...   Aug 31 2010, 03:08 PM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   We took a new 009 distributor and designed a picku...   Aug 31 2010, 03:20 PM
draganc   We took a new 009 distributor and designed a pick...   Aug 31 2010, 03:45 PM
underthetire   We took a new 009 distributor and designed a pic...   Aug 31 2010, 03:48 PM
JamesM   Ya, inquiring minds want to know. I'd love to...   Aug 31 2010, 06:11 PM
JamesM   I had an idea for something similar to this but un...   Aug 31 2010, 06:21 PM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   here is a picture:   Aug 31 2010, 03:55 PM
JamesM   here is a picture: I knew i had seen something ...   Aug 31 2010, 08:00 PM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   we had all kinds of problems modifying both the fl...   Aug 31 2010, 04:01 PM
RJMII   McMark's also turns at the rate of the crank.....   Aug 31 2010, 04:01 PM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   McMark's also turns at the rate of the crank....   Aug 31 2010, 04:08 PM
Jake Raby   I am doing some MS test work now.. I ended up usin...   Aug 31 2010, 04:05 PM
RJMII   I am doing some MS test work now.. I ended up usi...   Aug 31 2010, 04:14 PM
Jake Raby   I am doing some MS test work now.. I ended up us...   Aug 31 2010, 06:52 PM
904svo   [quote name='RJMII' post='1364119' date='Aug 31 2...   Aug 31 2010, 07:30 PM
JamesM   [quote name='RJMII' post='1364119' date='Aug 31 2...   Aug 31 2010, 07:49 PM
JamesM   I am doing some MS test work now.. I ended up usi...   Aug 31 2010, 06:50 PM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   Jake is the man for all of this stuff. I am excit...   Aug 31 2010, 05:20 PM
904svo   MS1 extra will let you change the 12x12 AFR1 table...   Aug 31 2010, 07:57 PM
JamesM   MS1 extra will let you change the 12x12 AFR1 tabl...   Sep 1 2010, 12:02 AM
Jake Raby   We haven't seen any benefits of sequential on ...   Aug 31 2010, 08:02 PM
JamesM   We haven't seen any benefits of sequential on...   Aug 31 2010, 09:01 PM
draganc   I like where this discussion is heading! Jus...   Aug 31 2010, 08:46 PM
Jake Raby   I actually prefer the handheld programmer of SDS a...   Aug 31 2010, 09:10 PM
JamesM   BTW- The theory you have read concerning sequenti...   Aug 31 2010, 11:07 PM
DNHunt   Here are my experiences with MS failures. I had ...   Sep 1 2010, 07:10 AM
JamesM   Here are my experiences with MS failures. I had...   Sep 1 2010, 11:42 AM
Jake Raby   I'd rather take a personal injury as burn th...   Sep 1 2010, 08:26 AM
904svo   Here's my 36 tooth wheel design mounted with A...   Sep 1 2010, 08:29 AM
draganc   Here's my 36 tooth wheel design mounted with ...   Sep 2 2010, 07:50 AM
904svo   Here's my 36 tooth wheel design mounted with...   Sep 2 2010, 08:19 AM
draganc   [quote name='draganc' post='1364931' date='Sep 2 ...   Sep 2 2010, 05:12 PM
904svo   [quote name='draganc' post='1364931' date='Sep 2...   Sep 3 2010, 07:52 AM
draganc   It's was the only way I could do when running ...   Sep 3 2010, 11:41 AM
Mark Henry   I've only had two issues with my SDS, the firs...   Sep 1 2010, 08:30 AM
Jake Raby   The guys at SDS don't like ITBs because they h...   Sep 1 2010, 10:18 AM
Jake Raby   I bought as much as possible from DIYautotune, bec...   Sep 1 2010, 04:19 PM
charliew   The db-37 connector was the main reason I put off ...   Sep 1 2010, 08:30 PM
JamesM   Changing the db-37 out on a stock board is probabl...   Sep 3 2010, 12:49 AM
charliew   If I changed the connector my idea was to connect ...   Sep 4 2010, 08:42 AM


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