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> Brake Master Cylinder, 17mm vs 23mm
LotusJoe
post Sep 20 2010, 04:29 PM
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I'm considering upgrading my master cylinder. I have installed the bigger BMW 320 Front Calipers and have Stock Calipers on the rear. I see from other threads that the 19mm master cylinder is a common upgrade, but what about 23mm. Automotion sells a 23mm as an upgrade, but it seem to me that it may to much for my application.
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post Sep 20 2010, 04:48 PM
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With the BMW calipers, the piston diameter is 48 mm. Here is a summary of differences between 17mm, 19mm, and 23 mm. (provided you have stock rears)

first is the 17mm (stock)
With 30 pounds of force on the pedal (at the rod for the brake master cylinder, not taking into account the increased force applied by the lever aka pedal arm) the system pressure is 28psi, while the pistons in the front calipers are getting 84pounds of force and the rears are getting 58pounds of force.
19mm:
With 30 pounds of force on the pedal (at the rod for the brake master cylinder, not taking into account the increased force applied by the lever aka pedal arm) the system pressure is 25psi, while the pistons in the front calipers are getting 75pounds of force and the rears are getting 52pounds of force.
for the 23mm:
With 30 pounds of force on the pedal (at the rod for the brake master cylinder, not taking into account the increased force applied by the lever aka pedal arm) the system pressure is 21psi, while the pistons in the front calipers are getting 62pounds of force and the rears are getting 43pounds of force.

I've been working on a Flash app (with the assistance of Eric at PMB) to show the differences in how much pressure is required to get the same amount of force at the pad, and how much pedal movement is needed for each option as well. But you can see from the numbers here that it's quite a force drop (which means more leg strength is required to get the same force at the pad) by going with the 23 mm m/c.
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post Sep 20 2010, 04:57 PM
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It would appear I'm better off staying with the 17mm Master Cylinder.

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LotusJoe   Brake Master Cylinder   Sep 20 2010, 04:29 PM
underthetire   Do a search, plenty of arguments posts about it.   Sep 20 2010, 04:46 PM
RJMII   With the BMW calipers, the piston diameter is 48 m...   Sep 20 2010, 04:48 PM
LotusJoe   It would appear I'm better off staying with th...   Sep 20 2010, 04:57 PM
Tom_T   It would appear I'm better off staying with t...   Sep 22 2010, 05:15 PM
RJMII   Not necessarily, The formula I am still workin...   Sep 20 2010, 05:04 PM
RJMII   More math done... the surface area of the 17mm ...   Sep 20 2010, 05:27 PM
pcar916   The fluid volume is a key element as is the pad ar...   Sep 20 2010, 05:28 PM
McMark   Read this classic thread. RIP Lapuwali. Gone too...   Sep 20 2010, 06:31 PM
RJMII   Read this classic thread. RIP Lapuwali. Gone to...   Sep 20 2010, 06:38 PM
Brett W   I ran the stock front calipers on the rears and 32...   Sep 22 2010, 06:44 PM
bmtrnavsky   I am running a 19MM Master cylinder on my car with...   Sep 22 2010, 07:14 PM
Todd Enlund   Slight correction: Pressure in a closed system is...   Sep 23 2010, 12:08 AM
RJMII   Slight correction: Pressure in a closed system i...   Sep 23 2010, 08:49 AM
Todd Enlund   Slight correction: Pressure in a closed system ...   Sep 23 2010, 12:16 PM
Racer Chris   Slight correction: Pressure in a closed system i...   Sep 23 2010, 11:22 AM
Todd Enlund   Slight correction: Pressure in a closed system ...   Sep 23 2010, 12:10 PM
Racer Chris   Not since Jim edited his post and changed "p...   Sep 23 2010, 01:25 PM
ellisor3   I found this interesting article a while ago. It i...   Sep 23 2010, 05:44 AM
jhadler   One of more often overlooked issues surrounding a ...   Sep 23 2010, 09:34 AM
RJMII   blah blah blah nit pick blah blah blah. I did th...   Sep 23 2010, 01:10 PM
ruby914   I have the 320I brakes and took off the 23mm MC an...   Sep 24 2010, 01:05 AM


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