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> turn signal help please, for the electically in-experienced..
MrHyde
post Nov 8 2010, 12:40 PM
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Background:
The PO of my 73' 2.0L said that he never actually drove the car. He picked it up to restore and then got more involved with his MG's ( he has a sweet MGB with a mustang drivetrain in it , and a couple more under covers) .. anyways.. the turn signals dont work.. in the glove box i found an extra relay socket, and a 4 prong relay... hanging out under the fuse board is another of the same socket I found in the glove box.. I'm assuming that some PO wired this thing in to get the turn signals working.. the signal lights all come on when I turn the headlights on ( tail lights AND all the turn signals ) when fliping the turn signal switch, nothing happens.. no dash lights.. no flashing...

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I've never really needed to use a multimeter before, so i'm totally inexperienced with this.. I want to know how to find out if this socket is infact for the turn signals ( so I can just get a turn signal relay ) or find out where to check the wiring with the multimeter to see where the disconnect is happening..


Since My shoulder is out of commission right now, I cant do any heavy work at all, but testing a circut with a multimeter is doable. I've downloaded a couple wiring diagrams, but it all looks a bit greek to me right now...

Thanks in advance for the help !
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post Nov 9 2010, 10:46 AM
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I've had some success....

I pluged that relay i had into the socket to " give'r a whirl "... hazard lights work... perfectly... all lights flashing in sync... the cliker going.. perfect... turn signal still no worky... making me thing it is just the relay now.. part of it working for the hazar lights and not the turn signal ? or maybe the turn signal switch..
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post Nov 9 2010, 10:58 AM
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QUOTE(MrHyde @ Nov 9 2010, 08:46 AM) *

I've had some success....

I pluged that relay i had into the socket to " give'r a whirl "... hazard lights work... perfectly... all lights flashing in sync... the cliker going.. perfect... turn signal still no worky... making me thing it is just the relay now.. part of it working for the hazar lights and not the turn signal ? or maybe the turn signal switch..


Now you're on point. It could be the relay, but to eliminate the turn signal switch test it. I had the same exact problem recently on my car. There are two connectors at the base of the steering column.

I used the diagnostic sketch I posted above to make sure the turn signal switch was working properly. It wasn't. When taken apart, the contacts inside the switch were broken. However there are redundant contacts attached to grey wires that trigger the European feature! What's that you ask?

When you turn on the turn signals and the car is off, the turn signal bulbs will come on solid (no pulsing).

I took the connector (the one at the base of the steering column that you may not have noticed yet) apart, swapped the grey wires with the "real" signal wires and put the connector back together. I got my turn signals back but lost the trigger for the feature noted above. It won't satisfy the concours crowd (and shouldn't) but I can live with that.

Now I could have spent $50 on a new turn signal but this was more fun. You'll use your meter in continuity mode to use that sketch.

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MrHyde   turn signal help please   Nov 8 2010, 12:40 PM
pcar916   Before attacking relays do the natural thing and h...   Nov 8 2010, 04:13 PM
windforfun   Do you know basic electricity? Ohm's law? Ca...   Nov 8 2010, 09:41 PM
MrHyde   I can follow the schematic as in " this goes...   Nov 9 2010, 07:04 AM
type47   I have has the power coming from the battery, to...   Nov 9 2010, 07:37 AM
MrHyde   this is the diagram I'm going off of http://w...   Nov 9 2010, 08:13 AM
pcar916   That drawing screwed me up one time. It may be for...   Nov 9 2010, 08:29 AM
MrHyde   It says right on it 1970-1973, Mines a '73... ...   Nov 9 2010, 08:46 AM
MrHyde   more info an questions... when I turn the headlig...   Nov 9 2010, 09:02 AM
76-914   I wish that I could tell you how many hours I spen...   Nov 9 2010, 09:28 AM
MrHyde   "this could take a couple weeks"... Tim...   Nov 9 2010, 09:36 AM
MrHyde   here's teh pic.. dont mind the cheezy speake ...   Nov 9 2010, 09:50 AM
type47   so you can see the socket for the flasher relay (...   Nov 9 2010, 10:37 AM
pcar916   Things unplugged may create a "floating groun...   Nov 9 2010, 09:51 AM
pcar916   Let the wire colors take you to all devices. Look ...   Nov 9 2010, 09:56 AM
MrHyde   here is s pic of the relay the PO gave me, he said...   Nov 9 2010, 09:59 AM
pcar916   Look under the dash above where the fuse panel att...   Nov 9 2010, 10:04 AM
MrHyde   I looked up under where teh fuse panel is mounted....   Nov 9 2010, 10:13 AM
DJKnut   MrHyde... I've found that in cars, when light...   Nov 9 2010, 10:17 AM
MrHyde   thank DJKnut ! I have a diagram I printed fr...   Nov 9 2010, 10:27 AM
MrHyde   I've had some success.... I pluged that relay...   Nov 9 2010, 10:46 AM
pcar916   I've had some success.... I pluged that rela...   Nov 9 2010, 10:58 AM
pcar916   Oh yes, the connector attached to your signal swit...   Nov 9 2010, 11:07 AM
MrHyde   Well... I guess I'm going to have to get a han...   Nov 9 2010, 01:41 PM
pcar916   I'll have a look for this connector and see i...   Nov 9 2010, 03:33 PM
luskesq   I used I believe a 1" or 1 1/8 deep socket wh...   Nov 9 2010, 02:24 PM
windforfun   Don't forget that you can slide the seat all t...   Nov 9 2010, 05:16 PM
Spoke   The schematics in the repair manuals are a bitch t...   Nov 9 2010, 09:08 PM
pcar916   Simple is gooder than not... I like targeted syst...   Nov 10 2010, 11:19 AM
MrHyde   so if I read this correct.. now that i've unpl...   Nov 10 2010, 12:58 PM
jt914-6   In Ron's drawing 4-5 is left....5-6 is right.....   Nov 10 2010, 02:24 PM
MrHyde   oops.. got the right n left backwards... sorry   Nov 10 2010, 02:39 PM
pcar916   JT is correct on the procedure... only difference ...   Nov 11 2010, 09:01 AM
MrHyde   Thanks guys.. the switch is good.... signals stil...   Nov 11 2010, 01:25 PM
pcar916   the switch is good.... signals still dont work.....   Nov 11 2010, 02:15 PM
MrHyde   nope ... no new relay yet... gonna have to order o...   Nov 11 2010, 03:01 PM
DJKnut   The turn lights on solid (L or R..) without the ke...   Nov 11 2010, 04:29 PM
bandjoey   Grounds Grounds Grounds on the bulb sockets, wire ...   Nov 11 2010, 11:11 PM
MrHyde   So I've had success ! Kind of... I orde...   Nov 24 2010, 07:40 PM
jk76.914   I figured this out a while back. I wrote up how i...   Nov 24 2010, 07:58 PM
MrHyde   any idea why the new relay wouldnt work then ?? gr...   Nov 24 2010, 08:17 PM
jk76.914   any idea why the new relay wouldnt work then ?? g...   Nov 24 2010, 09:20 PM
MrHyde   Its a Wittrin relay part # 013309. 4 prong and ...   Nov 25 2010, 06:39 AM
jk76.914   Its a Wittrin relay part # 013309. 4 prong and...   Nov 26 2010, 08:08 AM
Spoke   Back on Nov 9, post #21, you mentioned that the ha...   Nov 26 2010, 09:40 AM
MrHyde   turn signal, hazard lights marker lights all work ...   Nov 26 2010, 10:56 AM
Spoke   Both indicator lights coming on is common with the...   Nov 26 2010, 11:10 AM
jimkelly   spoke my 1972 car has the problem of both directi...   Oct 25 2013, 06:51 PM
Spoke   spoke my 1972 car has the problem of both direct...   Oct 25 2013, 07:00 PM
jimkelly   thank you :thumbsup:   Oct 25 2013, 07:24 PM


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