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> Djet - No start, Where to next
slu234
post Dec 29 2010, 09:41 PM
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This is my barn car that has been sitting for 30 years. It is a 1970 1.7L stock D-jet FI. I pulled the engine and also the FI wiring harness to freshen up some sheathing and a few terminals. Here's the list of FI and ignition repairs/replacements done. Engine back in last month and still sorting a few things out...

The engine did run (rather poorly though) before all of the following.

-New plugs, wires, points, condenser, rotor and cap.
-New blue coil
-New fuel pump and hoses
-Added fuel pressure gauge in line.
-Fuel pressure at 30psi - jumpered fuel pump at relay to set
-New vacuum hoses
-Verified all ECU connections using Bowlsby's checklist on his site (although had no help to verify both trigger points operation while cranking - not cranking, had one side open and one side closed)
-Fuel injectors were sent out about a year ago for cleaning - were put back in and run but have been sitting since then (possibly clogged??)
-New vacuum advance/retard canister
-Static timing done and points gap set for initial start up.


The engine will turn over easily by the starter and will run for a short burst on starting fluid. I do not hear the "brrrrrrr" or "clicks" of the FI's clicking as the throttle is opened (i did verify that the TPS is connected and working while going over Bowlsby's checklist).

Are my FI's stuck or clogged, ECU dead, what else?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

Where next?

I am so close to getting this thing on the road after about 2 years of sorting things out. I would greatly appreciate any direction.

Thanks guys!

Brian


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Cap'n Krusty
post Dec 30 2010, 09:54 AM
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Wait a minute, guys. He has fuel pressure. That means the pump and hoses are installed correctly. Gotta read the whole thing .........................

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post Dec 30 2010, 04:22 PM
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QUOTE(Cap'n Krusty @ Dec 30 2010, 10:54 AM) *

Wait a minute, guys. He has fuel pressure. That means the pump and hoses are installed correctly. Gotta read the whole thing .........................

The Cap'n

Lets just say that the lines are flipped and the inline fuel pressure gauge is on the back end of the loop...would that not show fuel pressure, albiet behind the regulator, but it would show pressure. Maybe?
Just thinking outloud.
I did read that he hears the pump go on and off...got that.
Relay and wiring are ok.

I may not have explained that correctly, but I hope you get my drift.

Another easy way to test is to pull all four injectors and place them in glass baby food jars. Just pull them out of the intake and leave the fuel lines attached.

Pull the main high voltage coil wire out of the car (dont leave one end near ground...just remove it, sparks are not good in this test) and turn over the car for 30 seconds.
It all fits in the engine bay,,,little jars sit right on the head tin, no real strain on the fuel lines or wiring.

Each container should have the same amount of fuel in it.
If you pass that simple test, its ignition related.
If you have fuel when cranking, you are only missing air or spark...take your pick .
If you have no fuel when cranking...trigger points are first, MPS is second, CHT is third.
A short or broken wire at any of those will kill it.
Bad CHT will do it, bad MPS will flood it, bad trigger points means no fuel at all.


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slu234   Djet - No start   Dec 29 2010, 09:41 PM
jasons   Have you tried starting it with the fuel pump rela...   Dec 29 2010, 09:47 PM
detoxcowboy   I would check your actually getting fuel to the in...   Dec 29 2010, 10:01 PM
slu234   I would check your actually getting fuel to the i...   Dec 29 2010, 11:14 PM
swl   Will probably need to pull the injectors and cran...   Dec 30 2010, 07:05 AM
Jeffs9146   Fuel pump!   Dec 29 2010, 10:08 PM
hot_shoe914   If the fuel pump is working go for the relays. I h...   Dec 29 2010, 10:16 PM
type47   When you re-installed the motor, did you connect t...   Dec 30 2010, 08:31 AM
brant   When you re-installed the motor, did you connect ...   Dec 30 2010, 09:01 AM
r_towle   When you re-installed the motor, did you connect...   Dec 30 2010, 09:32 AM
detoxcowboy   Quote"Will probably need to pull the injector...   Dec 30 2010, 09:05 AM
Cap'n Krusty   Wait a minute, guys. He has fuel pressure. That ...   Dec 30 2010, 09:54 AM
slu234   Wait a minute, guys. He has fuel pressure. That...   Dec 30 2010, 10:26 AM
jasons   Wait a minute, guys. He has fuel pressure. That...   Dec 30 2010, 10:54 AM
Cap'n Krusty   Wait a minute, guys. He has fuel pressure. Tha...   Dec 30 2010, 01:29 PM
jasons   Careful reading of the thread reveals this comme...   Dec 30 2010, 01:57 PM
r_towle   Wait a minute, guys. He has fuel pressure. That...   Dec 30 2010, 04:22 PM
slu234   Was not able to find a noid light locally. I know...   Dec 30 2010, 10:33 AM
Cap'n Krusty   HF sells noid lights. Gotta buy a set, but they...   Dec 30 2010, 10:40 AM
jk76.914   trigger points in distributor?   Dec 30 2010, 11:09 AM
underthetire   Sounds like yor fuel pump is ok, since you have pr...   Dec 30 2010, 11:23 AM
sfrenck   I'll throw in the good old "timing is off...   Dec 30 2010, 12:03 PM
brenz   I'll throw in the good old "timing is of...   Dec 30 2010, 02:46 PM
pt_700   i've been reading this with great interest as ...   Dec 30 2010, 01:59 PM
slu234   Update...... I built a noid light out of two pre-...   Dec 31 2010, 12:35 AM
swl   Easiest way is to pull out the distributor and jus...   Dec 31 2010, 10:37 AM
slu234   Well.....The distributor was correct so I pulled t...   Jan 1 2011, 12:12 AM
brenz   Well.....The distributor was correct so I pulled ...   Jan 1 2011, 11:35 PM
benalishhero   Bryan, I unclog mine on the bench with a 3.0 volt ...   Jan 2 2011, 07:13 AM
slu234   Bryan, I unclog mine on the bench with a 3.0 volt...   Jan 2 2011, 05:58 PM
brenz   Bryan, I unclog mine on the bench with a 3.0 vol...   Jan 2 2011, 08:39 PM


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