Oil Leak Fix - Attempt Number 4-6 (Somewhere in there), Suggestions on fixing an oil leak issue by the flywheel |
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Oil Leak Fix - Attempt Number 4-6 (Somewhere in there), Suggestions on fixing an oil leak issue by the flywheel |
netbanshee |
Mar 8 2011, 06:53 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 26 Joined: 18-May 08 From: Philadelphia Member No.: 9,071 Region Association: North East States |
Hey everyone,
Been reading the forums for some years, but haven't had much to say up until now. So Hi, Hey and Hello. Nice to meet you. I'm looking for some feedback and/or recommendations on an issue my '70 914 1.7l is having. After replacing the flywheel seal a few times to no avail, my father and I are starting to look at a few other options and suggestions. Here's the car (upon delivery and there on): http://www.flickr.com/photos/netbanshee/27...in/set-1076179/ Regardless of what's been done so far, the car still manages to leak oil at about a drip every 1-2 seconds out of the bottom of the engine near the flywheel. The oil leak persisted after the car blew an oil galley plug behind the flywheel. Before the car decided to dump most of her oil out in the driveway, I was able to shut the car off and keep things from getting much worse. We proceeded to pull the engine and tranny, pull all of the galley plugs and threaded in some new ones. We also hit them up with JB Weld for added assurance. At this point we went ahead and gave the drivetrain and a good once over. We hadn't really pulled apart the car since I purchased it 3 years ago, so no better time then. The car was generally pretty solid up to that point since the owner kept the car in good shape and only put a few thousand miles on the car over the years after an extensive restoration. We checked the pressure release valves, replaced various gaskets, the fuel lines, relocated the fuel pump under the gas tank, fixed up the hell hole before it got away from us, etc., etc. We then went about replacing the flywheel seal and flywheel o-ring. The 3 shims were in good shape so got them cleaned and lubricated before putting them back in the way they were. We permatexed the outside of the flywheel seal, seated it, bolted everything back up and got the drivetrain back in the car. After starting the car, we started to get the oil leak I described. Since then, we have tried different flywheel seals (Elring Klinger at first, then Victor Reinz since) to no avail. We made sure that the end play on the crank was between .003 - .004mm and that we seated the seal flush with the case and in slightly different depths so it didn't ride in the previous spot. Also of note, the leak is definitely between the flywheel and the case. There isn't any foul smelling gear oil from the tranny to note. There isn't any indication that the galley plugs are anything but solid, so our thought was that there was an issue with the flywheel seal. Now that we've replaced it a few times, we're looking at other options. We were thinking that it might be time to replace the flywheel and bolts. The paperwork I have on the restoration suggests that the original flywheel was machined and polished (dual surface) and we did notice that the flywheel seal we initially removed (don't have it anymore) was white and nothing we had seen before. Possible the seal was a different type? So, what does everyone think? Any other ideas or suggestions beyond a new flywheel? Thanks, Sean (netbanshee) |
netbanshee |
Mar 25 2011, 06:29 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 26 Joined: 18-May 08 From: Philadelphia Member No.: 9,071 Region Association: North East States |
Cap'n
We replaced the O-ring when we first dropped the motor and saw the blown oil galley plug. The original one was in decent shape, but didn't want to take any chances. There wasn't a older one to be found underneath (seen that mentioned in other threads). Recently I also picked up a new crusher washer and new flywheel bolts because, why not? The current set-up appears and torques fine, but it's good to have spares on hand. I never saw oil making it past the flywheel and onto the clutch, etc. In fact, the clutch has only light wear and text is still clearly visible on the surface. I haven't driven it too much since I obtained it and the the car was refreshed by the previous owner. The flywheel surface appears to be in good shape and doesn't exhibit any amount of pitting or wear on it. If polishing it up could provide any help, I'd be for it. When I was considering ordering another, it was more of a trigger-finger reaction (not that a few hundred wouldn't have hurt). We did seat flywheel seals at a few (minor) different depths when we pulled the motor after seeing the oil leak appear again. Only when it was out from the case a bit farther did it ride the outer surface of the flywheel a little bit. Otherwise, we've kept it flush to the outside of the case. Also of note, we kept end play at .003 to maybe .004 each time we got back in there, so we've been good on that front. All said, it kinda feels right in my gut that the OPRVs are what could be causing the issue. I was also considering a oil pressure sender unit and vdo gauge to see what was going on in the case. Any ideas on where I could find those and if they are different between a standard type iv motor and a 914 1.7l? I appreciate the outreach everyone. I want to get this car on the road for Spring-Summer and finish up a 63 Ghia vert as well. Living in PA gives me a smaller window to play with. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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