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groot
post Apr 6 2004, 03:36 PM
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So, there are some big changes coming in E-production (SCCA) to "equalize" the competition. In 2005, the 914-4 2.0L runs at 1870 pounds with driver.

Is anyone thinking of switching from FP to EP and using a 2.0L now that the 914 has lost 50 pounds?

As you may have guessed, I'm considering it. Since I have 2-2.0L engines and no 1.8s, I'll be starting in EP anyway. But, I'm on the 4-year plan to get competitive (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_flagge24.gif) , so it really doesn't matter immediately.

I know they used to be competitive in EP.

Anyway, there have been some posts about the horsepower a FP 1.8 can make. Any thoughts on a 2.0L?
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post Apr 7 2004, 02:42 AM
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Jake, I agree some engine will like a longer or shorter rod ratio. Depending on port size, volumn, runner length, valve size, carb size, etc. Look at what Honda has done on some of their street cars, 1.55-1.60 rod ratios. I am giong with 1.75 based on some info that friend of my got from Kevin Duckworth, of Cosworth fame. When ask what rod ratio he though was best he said 1.75. If you look at some of the worlds best engines they have designed them to work at 1.75 rod ratios. It is the best comprimise in piston speed, acceleration, cylinder wall loading, ring life, etc. One of my heros Smokey used to advocate going as long as possible, which in the case of the stock 1.8-2.0 engines serves well. at 1.954-1.845. That works well with the stock peanut port size. I think you can make a 2270 with a stock 2.0 rod perform better if you have bigger valves and ports to help speed up velocity and to take advantage of the high piston speeds. You are going to make some serious in roads into bad ass street T4s as soon as modern tech is brought into the T4 world. How about some water cooled 4 valve heads, just for shits and giggles.

Brad you are right on. THe 2.0 litre has not had a competetive advantage for a couple of years so the research has not been done and it will be a very expensive learning curve. Finch told me one time if you want to race and not build engines every weekend runa 6 if you want to race and out handle everyone else run a 4. I am going to build a regional GT3 2.0 four just beause I have the stuff laying around and need to get practice before I build a GT2 Boxster, but I will probably build it using a 1.8 crank and 96mm cylinders, so it really doesn't count as a two litre.
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groot   EP, anyone?   Apr 6 2004, 03:36 PM
Jake Raby   I have actually made more power with teh FP spec e...   Apr 6 2004, 06:52 PM
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Brett W   I don't get the problem with the weakness of t...   Apr 6 2004, 08:59 PM
Jake Raby   I have seen MANY more spun bearing 2.0 engines tha...   Apr 6 2004, 09:20 PM
Brett W   Yeah I was planning on running a Honda rod journal...   Apr 6 2004, 10:47 PM
Jake Raby   Thats one of the bearings that I plan on running. ...   Apr 6 2004, 11:08 PM
campbellcj   Yikes, that's a wild class weight -- under 170...   Apr 6 2004, 11:13 PM
Brett W   Yeah the key to better engines is to use better te...   Apr 6 2004, 11:14 PM
Jake Raby   Once the rods are completed the lengthys are easy ...   Apr 7 2004, 12:03 AM
Brad Roberts   Kevin, I can think of 8-10 people who have done d...   Apr 7 2004, 12:58 AM
Brett W   Jake, I agree some engine will like a longer or sh...   Apr 7 2004, 02:42 AM
groot   Good feedback. Thanks. I will be running a 2.0L-4...   Apr 7 2004, 06:31 AM
Jake Raby   FYI, I'd be willing to cover alot of the R&D i...   Apr 7 2004, 07:48 AM
Brett W   Jake be careful about spreading yourself to thin. ...   Apr 7 2004, 10:51 AM
Jake Raby   Brett, Thanks for the concern.. Thats the whole r...   Apr 7 2004, 11:04 AM
Brett W   I agree, if I am not working I am wasting my life....   Apr 7 2004, 12:55 PM
Brad Roberts   Good thing the 3 of us dont live close together. I...   Apr 7 2004, 02:12 PM
groot   I'm up for it, no question!!! I...   Apr 7 2004, 06:23 PM
Jake Raby   Groot, That time line sounds perfect. PM me your n...   Apr 7 2004, 07:36 PM
Thorshammer   EP HUH?, 2.0 liter you say. T IV you think?. Last...   Apr 7 2004, 08:50 PM
Jake Raby   ...   Apr 7 2004, 10:06 PM
dinomium   I have a 73 road car and dream of racing it! I...   Apr 7 2004, 11:17 PM
Racer Chris   If given enough outside funding I would convert to...   Apr 8 2004, 05:16 AM
groot   Lots of great input!! Chris-I thought thi...   Apr 8 2004, 06:25 AM
synthesisdv   ...   Apr 8 2004, 07:00 AM
Bleyseng   Maybe we can convince the Fordahl's as they ha...   Apr 8 2004, 07:29 AM
Brett W   210 is do able but it will be very hard in Product...   Apr 8 2004, 07:42 AM
Thorshammer   I believe in what Jake says, Although I have never...   Apr 8 2004, 09:06 AM
groot   All very valid points. Thanks. I've been runn...   Apr 8 2004, 10:23 AM
Dave_Darling     Apr 8 2004, 07:11 PM
Thorshammer   HA! Just fond my conversation notes with Mike...   Apr 8 2004, 07:19 PM
Brett W   Yes Finch and I have talked on occasion and he has...   Apr 8 2004, 08:38 PM
Racer Chris     Apr 10 2004, 02:35 AM
Jake Raby   In the last few years alot of new things have been...   Apr 10 2004, 11:39 AM
groot   Somewhere buried in this thread someone asked abou...   Aug 16 2004, 02:34 PM
Jake Raby   We are smack dab in the middle of the engine build...   Aug 16 2004, 02:41 PM
groot   Jake, I'll be at my desk tomorrow. Give me a ...   Aug 16 2004, 06:06 PM
Jake Raby   Kevin, It is stock diameter.... Its is legal in ...   Aug 16 2004, 07:18 PM
Brad Roberts   Ha ha.. they only tear down the top 3 finishers (l...   Aug 16 2004, 07:53 PM
seanery   dont they do a randtom car from the top 10, too?   Aug 16 2004, 08:05 PM
groot   Stock diameter? Sweet, let's do it! Jake,...   Aug 17 2004, 06:19 AM


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