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| Andyrew |
Jun 1 2011, 09:54 PM
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So my 3rd replacement ignition switch started tweeking out on me. Im tired of this. This is not a stock 914 so I decided to get an aftermarket switch. 10 bucks at Autozone and I have a switch that I doubt i will ever break.
So I pull the wiring which I have become so familar with and see that there are 6 prongs on it. One obviously ground(Black), One obviously power(red, thick), One keyed power (red, thinner), and one obviously starter(yellow).. But then I see 2 other small wires, a white, and a white/brown. Where do these suckers go? There is no accessory switch to the 914 so I doubt anything can go there, Are they the wires that are keyed power or say a relay? How do I wire this on a 4 prong switch??? I would think that the two smaller wires just go on keyed power, but I'd hate to do it and be wrong. Thoughts? Thanks all. |
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| jcd914 |
Jun 2 2011, 01:21 AM
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It sounds like you are trying to connect the aftermarket switch up correctly.
If you look at 26 on the diagram the middle 5 terminal are the ignition/start switch. 15 - 2 black wire is ignition power out 1 of the wires goes to the fuse panel (fuse 9) and then to the eng comp fuse/relay panel 1 of the wires goes to the logic relay under the passenger seat X - Red wire is accessory power out P - Gray wire is power out with key off 30 - Big Red wire is power in from the battery 50 - Big yellow is starter power out As the key is turned first power is cut off from the gray wire then when the key reaches the "on" position power is supplied to both the 15 and X terminals. As the key is turned past "on" to the "start" position power is cut off from the X terminal to reduce the electrical load so more power is available to the starter and ignition. If you are eating up stock switches maybe you need to put relays on the accessory circuit or check to make sure you do not have excess load tied to the ignition circuit. Often extras (stereo, amps, fog lights, etc) get connected to the first switched power found. There could be more load on the switch than is can handle. Good Luck Jim |
| Andyrew |
Jun 2 2011, 09:06 AM
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It sounds like you are trying to connect the aftermarket switch up correctly. If you look at 26 on the diagram the middle 5 terminal are the ignition/start switch. 15 - 2 black wire is ignition power out 1 of the wires goes to the fuse panel (fuse 9) and then to the eng comp fuse/relay panel 1 of the wires goes to the logic relay under the passenger seat X - Red wire is accessory power out P - Gray wire is power out with key off 30 - Big Red wire is power in from the battery 50 - Big yellow is starter power out As the key is turned first power is cut off from the gray wire then when the key reaches the "on" position power is supplied to both the 15 and X terminals. As the key is turned past "on" to the "start" position power is cut off from the X terminal to reduce the electrical load so more power is available to the starter and ignition. If you are eating up stock switches maybe you need to put relays on the accessory circuit or check to make sure you do not have excess load tied to the ignition circuit. Often extras (stereo, amps, fog lights, etc) get connected to the first switched power found. There could be more load on the switch than is can handle. Good Luck Jim Jim, What is happening with the stock switches is I can only find the aftermarket one's and they fail as are extremely common with them since they are made extremely poorly. I have no accessories in my vehicle. No horn, no radio, no fuel injection. Just lights, distributor and fuel pump. Your explination makes perfect sense. However I dont have a grey wire so I guess I dont have to worry about that ? I am still stumped as everything mentioned will lead me to wire the switch the exact same way, which I know will result in the same problem (Starter getting power when keyed on.. Which is not the switch's falt as I see from testing.) As I mentioned earlier, ALL wires show continuity with the ohm meter to each other. I have NO idea how, or why, but I feel that that is WRONG. Any thoughts on this subject would be greatly appreciated. Again this is tested with negative battery terminal disconnected. |
Andyrew Giving up on ignition switches, Need wiring diagram Jun 1 2011, 09:54 PM
tradisrad go here and find your year and wiring diagram.
Gr... Jun 1 2011, 09:59 PM
Andyrew I know its usually brown, but its obiously not in ... Jun 1 2011, 10:05 PM
r_towle #26 on diagram two, "steering column switch... Jun 1 2011, 10:38 PM
Andyrew
#26 on diagram two, "steering column switch... Jun 1 2011, 11:04 PM
kg6dxn
I saw 26 but there are to many wires on that dia... Jun 1 2011, 11:13 PM
NORD In the center tunnel there is a wire, don't re... Jun 1 2011, 10:47 PM
kg6dxn The black wire is the ignition hot lead. the 2 sma... Jun 1 2011, 11:00 PM
Andyrew OK so lets put this down.
NEW SWITCH -------- 91... Jun 1 2011, 11:07 PM
kg6dxn
OK so lets put this down.
NEW SWITCH -------- 9... Jun 1 2011, 11:15 PM
Andyrew
OK so lets put this down.
NEW SWITCH -------- ... Jun 1 2011, 11:18 PM
kg6dxn
So what your saying is im right? :wacko:
I j... Jun 1 2011, 11:23 PM
chrispy Doesn't one wire go from the switch to the hea... Jun 1 2011, 11:18 PM
914Mike
So my 3rd replacement ignition switch started twe... Jun 1 2011, 11:27 PM
Andyrew MMMMkay... On my testing zone I had the little red... Jun 1 2011, 11:57 PM
Andyrew So I disconnected the yellow wire and tried the ke... Jun 2 2011, 12:01 AM
Andyrew WTF
I disconnect the switch and check it out. Loo... Jun 2 2011, 12:18 AM
messix its not hitting "ground" its conducting ... Jun 2 2011, 12:31 AM
Andyrew
its not hitting "ground" its conducting... Jun 2 2011, 08:58 AM
Cap'n Krusty I've probably installed a couple of hundred af... Jun 2 2011, 10:03 AM
Andyrew Captn,
Yes the aftermarket switch is clearly lab... Jun 2 2011, 10:34 AM
r_towle pull the wire from the battery POSOTIVE terminal..... Jun 2 2011, 10:43 AM
Andyrew I'll give it a test tonight. Battery is kickin... Jun 2 2011, 10:54 AM
Cap'n Krusty
I'll give it a test tonight. Battery is kicki... Jun 2 2011, 11:17 AM
r_towle cant ohm the red wire while its connected to the b... Jun 2 2011, 11:03 AM
Andyrew Well I can say that that relay is LONG gone... Sea... Jun 2 2011, 11:14 AM
r_towle reminds me of my plow truck...a dual battery diese... Jun 2 2011, 11:21 AM
Andyrew Rick,
Cables are under 5 years old. Starter has ... Jun 2 2011, 11:43 AM
Andyrew Pulled the positive cable from the battery and sep... Jun 2 2011, 12:51 PM
914Mike
Pulled the positive cable from the battery and se... Jun 2 2011, 01:22 PM
Cap'n Krusty The wires have to be disconnected at BOTH ends for... Jun 2 2011, 01:24 PM
Andyrew 914Mike,
I see. That makes sense.
Actually the... Jun 2 2011, 02:13 PM
Tom Andyrew,
Did you remove the positive battery ... Jun 2 2011, 04:31 PM
Andyrew Tom,
No, I didnt disconnect the positive battery... Jun 2 2011, 04:45 PM
Andyrew For shits and giggles i installed the wiring again... Jun 2 2011, 07:38 PM
kg6dxn Test the continuity of your switch (ohm out)
Powe... Jun 2 2011, 08:04 PM
Andyrew Mike, this is what i tested last night (multiple t... Jun 2 2011, 08:23 PM
Andyrew Mike, this is what i tested last night (multiple t... Jun 2 2011, 08:35 PM
Andyrew Ooook.. I just tightened the bolts down but left t... Jun 2 2011, 08:40 PM
kg6dxn Have you tried to hot wire your car? Just to see i... Jun 2 2011, 09:00 PM
Andyrew Defective. The starter terminal worked itself loos... Jun 2 2011, 09:01 PM
kg6dxn Damn Chinese parts... Jun 2 2011, 09:05 PM
Andyrew Mike, yes i test all functions of the key switch w... Jun 2 2011, 09:34 PM
Andyrew Drove to work!
:trophy: Jun 3 2011, 08:32 AM
porscheless Andy,
Glad you got your car sorted; the OEM... Jun 3 2011, 09:11 AM
NORD Glad its fixed :headbang: :driving: Jun 3 2011, 09:00 AM
Andyrew Joe, where did you get your OEM switch? Porsche? Jun 3 2011, 09:16 AM![]() ![]() |
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