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> brake trouble, front brakes lock when hot
trfrick
post Jun 21 2011, 10:26 PM
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I need some help - I replace the front rotors, calipers, pad, flex line and m/c. Now when I went for a test drive after several hard stops the front brakes get hot and lock up.
After they cool they release.

What should look for?

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post Jun 24 2011, 06:24 PM
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The bad part is you replaced a whole bunch of stuff, any one of which can cause problems . . . It sure sounds like you don't have pedal freeplay . . are all the calipers and the MC new? or did someone rebuild them ??
are you sure you're starting with known good units ?? If you're not sure, it's like shooting yourself in the foot. . .

Lets get to basics first for trouble shooting,

When the master cylinder is in the released or at rest position, you should be able to pry back each brake pads. . . the fluid you're compressing in the calipers goes back thru the uncovered inlet port in the master cylinder up to the fluid reservoir. . . If you can do this, then there is no mechanical reason why the pads when the pedal is released can't do it themselves. but your statement about only when hot or cold makes me think something is expanding when hot and binding. .
If you cant push the any of the pads in , my first guess is the master cylinder probably has the rod depressed and the piston is past the port hole for whatever reason.

When it's working correctly, as you step on the brake, the MC piston covers the inlet port, sealing off the reservoir, and forces fluid out to the calipers. . not back up to the reservoir, making it a one way system, but only if the piston port is covered.

If you can pry back any one, then the MC port is uncovered. . . . . Next, Make sure your can pry all pistons back. . . it should take only light force. . . you may have sticking pistons but I can't imagine all 4 sticking at once . .
Do all the pads fit in the calipers easily, do the move freely ? or do the rub and bind on the caliper ??

If you can move all the pistons, you might try putting your old pads back in a see if the problem changes. . that's easy. . . If that doesn't do anything and you're still puzzled, put the old MC back in. . that's a pain ion the butt, but there isn't anything else left to change. .

Just remember, you're going to solve the problem, it's just a matter of the steps you have to go through to get there. .
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trfrick   brake trouble   Jun 21 2011, 10:26 PM
jcd914   I would start by checking that the brake pedal is ...   Jun 21 2011, 10:30 PM
trfrick   I would start by checking that the brake pedal is...   Jun 22 2011, 09:21 AM
McMark   Good call, Jim! :thumbsup:   Jun 21 2011, 10:34 PM
jcd914   Experience is a teacher you remember!   Jun 22 2011, 12:05 AM
ldsgeek   Experience is a teacher you remember! Yeah,...   Jun 22 2011, 07:46 AM
Eric_Shea   Where'd ya get the crappy rebuilt calipers? :h...   Jun 22 2011, 09:43 AM
trfrick   Thanks Eric - I don't think it is the person w...   Jun 22 2011, 10:18 AM
r_towle   It almost sounds like one of your knockback mecha...   Jun 22 2011, 10:38 AM
Eric_Shea   I'll grab PDF's from the factory manual ...   Jun 22 2011, 01:36 PM
Eric_Shea   Here's the file... the clearance number I spew...   Jun 23 2011, 12:06 AM
trfrick   OK - I have no clearance between either pad and th...   Jun 23 2011, 03:18 PM
Eric_Shea   That can be normal for the first few miles on new ...   Jun 23 2011, 03:33 PM
r_towle   cool, So this knock back device....it rackets up ...   Jun 23 2011, 03:37 PM
Eric_Shea   Si... we press pistons back in with an Arbor pre...   Jun 23 2011, 03:58 PM
trfrick   I loosend the spindle nut as you said and reinstal...   Jun 24 2011, 04:08 PM
toolguy   The bad part is you replaced a whole bunch of stuf...   Jun 24 2011, 06:24 PM
trfrick   The MC was replaced about two months prior to the ...   Jun 25 2011, 10:22 AM
toolguy   The MC was replaced about two months prior to the...   Jun 25 2011, 04:47 PM
PRS914-6   Is the vent on the M/C reservoir plugged ? There ...   Jun 25 2011, 01:04 PM
trfrick   Problem resolved!!! It was a combinat...   Jun 25 2011, 07:08 PM


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