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> Will not start, Valve clearance advice needed. modified 1.7
Haudiosolutions
post Jun 22 2011, 08:36 PM
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Confusing issue which has been compounded by frequent torential rain and being on-call with 15+ hour days. Short back ground.... Steve and I were attempting to get my valves adjusted which was cut short by heavy rain. When I attempted to start the car later, nothing would happen. The battery seems good. Lights and accessories work. The starter can be manually jumped but I can't get action from the starter by using the ignition switch. The only thing I did out of the ordinary was absent mindedly leave the key switched one click up to unlock the wheel and left it that way for a while but not so far the fuel pump was running. I don't think that would cause an issue but figued I'd throw it in there. There are also two what looks like relays of some sort which I hope someone can clue me in on. The one in the pic is the one up top and the other one not pictured but looks very similar is wired to the starter. I should also add it's a standard points setup.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Saturday will be the earliest I could look at it unless I can bribe Steve with cash to get on it heheh (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)


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post Jun 25 2011, 12:28 AM
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Common and re-occuring issue of failing ignition switches due to an EMF pulse that conducts itself back to the igniton switch from starter every time the car is started eventually arcing out the ignition switch./ I have had same isuue twice aboput once a year; and when I bought my 814 it had that Bosch "hot/Hard Start Relay Ugly Relay Dangling, I ditched the realay bought new harness, starter alternator and battery and ignition switch , happened again! left me stranded at a liquor store without warning. Issue had been resolved and I have had no further issues and my car now starts better than ever.. The key is installing a dfiode rectifier that shunts the 350mv EMF pulse from getting back to your switch..



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post Jun 25 2011, 09:55 AM
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QUOTE(detoxcowboy @ Jun 25 2011, 02:28 AM) *

Common and re-occuring issue of failing ignition switches due to an EMF pulse that conducts itself back to the igniton switch from starter every time the car is started eventually arcing out the ignition switch./ I have had same isuue twice aboput once a year; and when I bought my 814 it had that Bosch "hot/Hard Start Relay Ugly Relay Dangling, I ditched the realay bought new harness, starter alternator and battery and ignition switch , happened again! left me stranded at a liquor store without warning. Issue had been resolved and I have had no further issues and my car now starts better than ever.. The key is installing a dfiode rectifier that shunts the 350mv EMF pulse from getting back to your switch..



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Any electric coil produces a magnetic field when energized. Whenever a switch opens the circuit to this coil the magnetic field "collapses" producing voltage in the field as a" back-current." If the switch is unprotected, the back current tends to arc across the open terminals creating heat and corrosion and eventually burning the switch. A "snubber" diode placed across the circuit diverts the back current away from the switch protecting it.

A diode is a one-way connection (like a check-valve) With the diode placed correctly across the circuit the back-current has an alternative place to go.

The snubber should be placed as close to the coil as possible. It must be "fast" and of sufficient capacity handle the considerable current produced for a split-second by the collapsing field.

This diagram shows the basic snubber circuit. A resistor is on the positive side of the diode, but this is not usually necessary for most 12 volt circuits. Note the position of the diode, which as has been said places the banded end on the positive side. If reversed you are creating a short-circuit!
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post Jun 25 2011, 10:37 AM
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Thanks for all the suggestions.
The non-start problem was a loose wire (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
This car has definitely had some creative wiring done to it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

So... we set the valves at .006 in and .008 exh since that seems to be what the PO had it set at. Only had to adjust a couple of them that were only slightly loose.
And then we set the timing - which was also dead on already.

Question remains... for a 1.7 that has been modified (don't know what was done. Has dual carbs and runs really strong) should the valves be set at the suggested .006 on both intake and exhaust or should the 2.0 settings be used? (like we did)

We ended up adjusting the engine bay cover and driver door for a better fit/closing.
Took it out for a drive and noticed the clutch released really close to the floor. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
Afternoon project will be replacing the clutch cable. Luckily, Derrick has one at his house. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Once it is back on the road, still need to figure out what is causing oil temps to rise at interstate speeds.

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Haudiosolutions   Will not start   Jun 22 2011, 08:36 PM
Haudiosolutions   Another angle:   Jun 22 2011, 08:40 PM
poorsche914   ... Saturday will be the earliest I could look at ...   Jun 22 2011, 09:47 PM
Haudiosolutions   Thanks for the ideas! If the rain ever quits...   Jun 22 2011, 09:54 PM
Prospectfarms   ... Saturday will be the earliest I could look at...   Jun 22 2011, 10:35 PM
Haudiosolutions   Steve, are you working on it yet? It's only ra...   Jun 23 2011, 06:59 AM
mburkhart   I had a similar problem a few weeks ago where my b...   Jun 23 2011, 07:17 AM
poorsche914   Steve, are you working on it yet? It's only r...   Jun 23 2011, 11:05 AM
Drums66   .......I've had good fortune... with the hot s...   Jun 23 2011, 11:34 AM
Series9   Recently, I have been finding that high-resistence...   Jun 23 2011, 06:26 PM
Prospectfarms   Recently, I have been finding that high-resistenc...   Jun 23 2011, 09:07 PM
Haudiosolutions   I really hope it's that simple. I'm sure i...   Jun 23 2011, 09:23 PM
poorsche914   I may poke around a bit tomorrow if the weather is...   Jun 23 2011, 10:34 PM
Haudiosolutions   I may poke around a bit tomorrow if the weather i...   Jun 24 2011, 06:57 AM
detoxcowboy   Common and re-occuring issue of failing ignition s...   Jun 25 2011, 12:28 AM
poorsche914   OK... we are working on this now but while the eng...   Jun 25 2011, 07:55 AM
poorsche914   Start issue "possibly" resolved... found...   Jun 25 2011, 08:12 AM
Prospectfarms   Common and re-occuring issue of failing ignition ...   Jun 25 2011, 09:55 AM
poorsche914   Thanks for all the suggestions. The non-start prob...   Jun 25 2011, 10:37 AM
detoxcowboy   [quote name='detoxcowboy' post='1499768' date='Ju...   Jun 25 2011, 12:43 PM
Haudiosolutions   :WTF: Thanks Steve for your time and help. Cant ...   Jun 25 2011, 05:50 PM
poorsche914   Thanks Steve for your time and help. Cant thank yo...   Jun 25 2011, 06:27 PM
Haudiosolutions   Thanks Steve for your time and help. Cant thank y...   Jun 25 2011, 07:39 PM
detoxcowboy   Excuse me, outside of your topic,., Prospect Farms...   Jun 25 2011, 11:55 AM
poorsche914   detoxcowboy - we lucked out and found a wire had c...   Jun 25 2011, 12:14 PM
Tom   Great job guys, you're :first: Tom   Jun 25 2011, 07:36 PM
Dave_Darling   Valve clearances are 0.006" for both intake a...   Jun 26 2011, 12:52 PM
Haudiosolutions   Valve clearances are 0.006" for both intake ...   Jun 26 2011, 01:50 PM


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