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> Breather Concepts, ...taking one from Jake
yeahmag
post Aug 4 2011, 03:28 PM
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I'm considering blocking off my head vents and running a -10 or -12 breather solely from the oil filler/breather to a Morosso breather tank (or the like). The idea here is to keep the crankcase at a lower pressure than the heads so the oil tends to move from high pressure to low (aka from the heads to the case).

Anyone else doing this yet? If so any comments or pictures?

Thanks!
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post Aug 4 2011, 05:50 PM
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BTDT. A single -12 line from the chimney is all we ran on our F-Prod car. The oil will return more quickly from the heads to the crankcase with no head vents.

This was a hot topic here on World a year or so ago. I was amazed at how many people got down-right hostile at the suggestion that head vents were not only unnecessary but counterproductive.

The drain back slots on a type 4 are restrictive. If the heads are vented the crankcase pressure interferes with the oil draining back from the heads. Close off the head vents and the pressure differential between the rocker chambers and the crankcase goes away allowing the oil to flow through the narrow slots without interference from crankcase pressure.
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post Aug 4 2011, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE(HAM Inc @ Aug 4 2011, 07:50 PM) *

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The drain back slots on a type 4 are restrictive. If the heads are vented the crankcase pressure interferes with the oil draining back from the heads. Close off the head vents and the pressure differential between the rocker chambers and the crankcase goes away allowing the oil to flow through the narrow slots without interference from crankcase pressure.


The drainback slots on a type 4 crankcase aren't narrow, nor are they restrictive.
Their cross-section is at least as large as the cross-section inside a pushrod tube,
and they're shaped in a manner that ensures adequate flow without any likelihood of becoming hydro-locked.

Crankcase pressures are unlikely to ever be above 1.01 atm., vented or unvented.
It doesn't take much of an opening to bleed off that pressure. The diameter of the opening affects velocity of flow far more than volume.
Those very low pressures have little to do with preventing oil from draining back from the heads.

A venting system ensures equal pressure in the 3 chambers of the engine when they're all connected to a central cannister that's open to the atmosphere.
No differential will exist.
On the other hand, when only the crankcase is vented, there will certainly be a pressure differential due to the constant supply of oil into the rocker boxes.

Anecdotal evidence to the contrary (factory design changes, etc.) notwithstanding, there's no proof that unvented heads are beneficial to oil control in comparison to a well designed breather system on a carbureted T4 engine.

BTW, the cross-section of three -8 hoses is greater than the cross-section of one -12 hose.
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yeahmag   Breather Concepts   Aug 4 2011, 03:28 PM
Vacca Rabite   I am doing this. Not sure I can tell a difference ...   Aug 4 2011, 05:44 PM
HAM Inc   BTDT. A single -12 line from the chimney is all we...   Aug 4 2011, 05:50 PM
Racer Chris   ... The drain back slots on a type 4 are restrict...   Aug 4 2011, 07:58 PM
Krieger   My 75 2.0 did not have head vents. Maybe the fact...   Aug 4 2011, 06:05 PM
yeahmag   Len, Do you have a picture of that? I was thinkin...   Aug 4 2011, 07:05 PM
7275914911   Hey Aaron, Breather/Drain Back Discusions Here i...   Aug 4 2011, 08:13 PM
HAM Inc   Aaron, I welded a -12bung to an aluminum plate th...   Aug 4 2011, 08:34 PM
dstar   --------------------------- Personally I don...   Aug 8 2011, 12:48 AM
dstar   WOW! Just checked your site...can with T and 2...   Aug 8 2011, 12:56 AM
DBCooper   The economy is bad enough, our politicians rape u...   Aug 8 2011, 03:56 AM
dstar   The economy is bad enough, our politicians rape ...   Aug 8 2011, 06:44 AM
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dstar   --------------- Hope ya make it back home safe?...   Aug 8 2011, 11:31 PM
SirAndy   MOD ... I demand justice ... I'm not kidding C...   Aug 9 2011, 01:52 PM
Rand   Touch a nerve? I don't need to grow up, I nee...   Aug 8 2011, 10:45 AM
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dstar   Touch a nerve? I don't need to grow up, I ne...   Aug 8 2011, 11:26 PM
FlatIV   What is the worst thing that could happen from not...   Aug 8 2011, 03:58 AM
Vacca Rabite   FlatIV, it depends on who you listen to. I have h...   Aug 8 2011, 05:53 AM
HAM Inc   This weekend I wrote an article that covers the te...   Aug 8 2011, 07:05 AM
dstar   This weekend I wrote an article that covers the t...   Aug 8 2011, 08:35 AM
r_towle   On this specific subject I find it very interestin...   Aug 8 2011, 08:57 AM
turnaround89   The only thing i can add is that if your motor is ...   Aug 8 2011, 09:14 AM
Rand   Damn dude, I really was hoping you would man up. I...   Aug 8 2011, 11:41 PM
dstar   Damn dude, I really was hoping you would man up. ...   Aug 9 2011, 01:34 AM
messix   rand, we might have to go all alphy on this guy...   Aug 8 2011, 11:45 PM
dstar   rand, we might have to go all alphy on this guy...   Aug 9 2011, 01:36 AM
Rand   I think this dumb-ass is immune to alphansims. Fir...   Aug 8 2011, 11:53 PM
dstar   I think this dumb-ass is immune to alphansims. Fi...   Aug 9 2011, 01:38 AM
messix   "d"star must have been a reference to hi...   Aug 9 2011, 12:03 AM
dstar   "d"star must have been a reference to h...   Aug 9 2011, 01:44 AM
jimkelly   related pic   Aug 9 2011, 05:44 AM
rnellums   related pic Good shot of how the oil gets all ov...   Aug 9 2011, 07:44 AM
J P Stein   It has been my experience that flat motors seem to...   Aug 9 2011, 08:08 AM
jsayre914   Chances are there will be an honest difference o...   Aug 9 2011, 08:11 AM
mojorisen914   I really think everyone should act a little more p...   Aug 9 2011, 08:21 AM
J P Stein   If we were professionals we'da given up on ths...   Aug 9 2011, 08:35 AM
sean_v8_914   many post opinions and speculation about a topic. ...   Aug 9 2011, 08:46 AM
Bartlett 914   I have a 76 2.0. No head vents and no PCV valve. J...   Aug 9 2011, 09:00 AM
nsr-jamie   :popcorn:   Aug 9 2011, 09:02 AM
mojorisen914   I just don't like the name calling unless it...   Aug 9 2011, 09:19 AM
rnellums   I wanted Chris's not because it was absolute...   Aug 9 2011, 10:35 AM
Mike D.   I don't really care what anyone does with the ...   Aug 9 2011, 08:06 PM
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