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> Breather Concepts, ...taking one from Jake
yeahmag
post Aug 4 2011, 03:28 PM
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I'm considering blocking off my head vents and running a -10 or -12 breather solely from the oil filler/breather to a Morosso breather tank (or the like). The idea here is to keep the crankcase at a lower pressure than the heads so the oil tends to move from high pressure to low (aka from the heads to the case).

Anyone else doing this yet? If so any comments or pictures?

Thanks!
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post Aug 4 2011, 08:34 PM
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Len,

Do you have a picture of that? I was thinking of just drilling out the stock location (PCV valve) to a -12/-10. I'm only running 6200RPM *max*. But I'd like to see what others have running. No need to re-invent the wheel...

Aaron, I welded a -12bung to an aluminum plate that bolted to a cross bar that mounted in the chimney. It would be tough to do that with the engine in the car.


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The drainback slots on a type 4 crankcase aren't narrow, nor are they restrictive.

I don't think my 1300sq.ft. home is too small either, but some would disagree.

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Anecdotal evidence to the contrary (factory design changes, etc.) notwithstanding, there's no proof that unvented heads are beneficial to oil control in comparison to a well designed breather system on a carbureted T4 engine.

Anecdotal? I'll bet that we did far more testing of oil systems and breather systems than you have. And we approached it with an open mind, something that is essential to progress. Several breathing systems were employed and observed in action on Jakes chassis dyno. We then went out and beat holy hell out of the engine on the track. Two full seasons of competition and one cup of oil in the overflow can total for the entire season!

Ask yourselves this. If you have a breather in the heads and the oil line comes loose from the breather can, why does it puke oil out of the line from the head? Think about that for a moment.

Personally I don't care if folks vent their heads or don't. I'm not selling breather cans and I have no vested interested in how people deal with this. I do advise all of my customers not to vent their heads. So far everyone has been positive about having less oil lines and leak potential.

I've been through this topic before (and was genuinely flummoxed by some of the defenses of vented heads) and I have now said all I have to say about it.
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post Aug 8 2011, 12:48 AM
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Personally I don't care if folks vent their heads or don't. I'm not selling breather cans and I have no vested interested in how people deal with this.
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But Chris DOES! SURELY he isn't up to allowing folks to find out that
they don't need an VERY expensive catch can from him......

T4 heads don't need venting, PROVEN FACT.

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yeahmag   Breather Concepts   Aug 4 2011, 03:28 PM
Vacca Rabite   I am doing this. Not sure I can tell a difference ...   Aug 4 2011, 05:44 PM
HAM Inc   BTDT. A single -12 line from the chimney is all we...   Aug 4 2011, 05:50 PM
Racer Chris   ... The drain back slots on a type 4 are restrict...   Aug 4 2011, 07:58 PM
Krieger   My 75 2.0 did not have head vents. Maybe the fact...   Aug 4 2011, 06:05 PM
yeahmag   Len, Do you have a picture of that? I was thinkin...   Aug 4 2011, 07:05 PM
7275914911   Hey Aaron, Breather/Drain Back Discusions Here i...   Aug 4 2011, 08:13 PM
HAM Inc   Aaron, I welded a -12bung to an aluminum plate th...   Aug 4 2011, 08:34 PM
dstar   --------------------------- Personally I don...   Aug 8 2011, 12:48 AM
dstar   WOW! Just checked your site...can with T and 2...   Aug 8 2011, 12:56 AM
DBCooper   The economy is bad enough, our politicians rape u...   Aug 8 2011, 03:56 AM
dstar   The economy is bad enough, our politicians rape ...   Aug 8 2011, 06:44 AM
7275914911   Let it go.....you don't have a dog here. Yo...   Aug 8 2011, 09:44 AM
dstar   --------------- Hope ya make it back home safe?...   Aug 8 2011, 11:31 PM
SirAndy   MOD ... I demand justice ... I'm not kidding C...   Aug 9 2011, 01:52 PM
Rand   Touch a nerve? I don't need to grow up, I nee...   Aug 8 2011, 10:45 AM
DBCooper   Touch a nerve? I don't need to grow up, I nee...   Aug 8 2011, 06:36 PM
dstar   Touch a nerve? I don't need to grow up, I ne...   Aug 8 2011, 11:26 PM
FlatIV   What is the worst thing that could happen from not...   Aug 8 2011, 03:58 AM
Vacca Rabite   FlatIV, it depends on who you listen to. I have h...   Aug 8 2011, 05:53 AM
HAM Inc   This weekend I wrote an article that covers the te...   Aug 8 2011, 07:05 AM
dstar   This weekend I wrote an article that covers the t...   Aug 8 2011, 08:35 AM
r_towle   On this specific subject I find it very interestin...   Aug 8 2011, 08:57 AM
turnaround89   The only thing i can add is that if your motor is ...   Aug 8 2011, 09:14 AM
Rand   Damn dude, I really was hoping you would man up. I...   Aug 8 2011, 11:41 PM
dstar   Damn dude, I really was hoping you would man up. ...   Aug 9 2011, 01:34 AM
messix   rand, we might have to go all alphy on this guy...   Aug 8 2011, 11:45 PM
dstar   rand, we might have to go all alphy on this guy...   Aug 9 2011, 01:36 AM
Rand   I think this dumb-ass is immune to alphansims. Fir...   Aug 8 2011, 11:53 PM
dstar   I think this dumb-ass is immune to alphansims. Fi...   Aug 9 2011, 01:38 AM
messix   "d"star must have been a reference to hi...   Aug 9 2011, 12:03 AM
dstar   "d"star must have been a reference to h...   Aug 9 2011, 01:44 AM
jimkelly   related pic   Aug 9 2011, 05:44 AM
rnellums   related pic Good shot of how the oil gets all ov...   Aug 9 2011, 07:44 AM
J P Stein   It has been my experience that flat motors seem to...   Aug 9 2011, 08:08 AM
jsayre914   Chances are there will be an honest difference o...   Aug 9 2011, 08:11 AM
mojorisen914   I really think everyone should act a little more p...   Aug 9 2011, 08:21 AM
J P Stein   If we were professionals we'da given up on ths...   Aug 9 2011, 08:35 AM
sean_v8_914   many post opinions and speculation about a topic. ...   Aug 9 2011, 08:46 AM
Bartlett 914   I have a 76 2.0. No head vents and no PCV valve. J...   Aug 9 2011, 09:00 AM
nsr-jamie   :popcorn:   Aug 9 2011, 09:02 AM
mojorisen914   I just don't like the name calling unless it...   Aug 9 2011, 09:19 AM
rnellums   I wanted Chris's not because it was absolute...   Aug 9 2011, 10:35 AM
Mike D.   I don't really care what anyone does with the ...   Aug 9 2011, 08:06 PM
nsr-jamie   I have the Tangerine kit and its $189 without...   Aug 10 2011, 08:51 AM


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