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| dlee6204 |
 Jul 17 2011, 09:39 PM
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Howdy  Group: Members Posts: 2,162 Joined: 30-April 06 From: Burnsville, NC Member No.: 5,956  |
I finally got to drive my 914 again! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mueba.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Back in June I was having fits with the L-Jet system that was on my car so I decided it was time to tackle a project I was wanting to do for some time, a CIS conversion.
I retrofitted a CIS Basic system to my stock 1.8L engine using parts from various VWs and Mercedes and today I fired it up for the first time and was able to take it for a long drive. It felt AWESOME. Smooth reliable power all the way to redline. It has a nice growl to it too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/evilgrin.gif) I'm quite impressed. I still have to make some small adjustments but at least now I can get back to driving the car daily and the best part, NO MORE JACKSTANDS! I'm going to drive the snot out of the car this week to get the system dialed in and hopefully next weekend I will take it for a day drive in the mountains. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) More details and pics to come later. The cat is happy too!  |
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| VaccaRabite |
Jul 20 2011, 12:22 PM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,729 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region 
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Jake is your carb cam (the one similar to the 494) too aggressive for CIS?
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| rohar |
Sep 2 2011, 09:56 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 924 Joined: 25-October 08 From: spokane Member No.: 9,685 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Vacca Rabite @ Jul 20 2011, 11:22 AM)  Jake is your carb cam (the one similar to the 494) too aggressive for CIS? Zach After years of working CIS on other engines, I suspect it is. If the cam gets too agressive, the air lever in the fuel dizzy starts to move erratically. In theory, this can be abated by adding anti revision geometry to the intake track, but I've never tried it/seen it. I've only read about it from some of the ancient notes from Drake Engineering. That said, as you increase air velocity, cam becomes less and less important. I've run rabbit 8v engines well over 200hp on CIS. In that environment we could get away with cams that simply wouldn't work at lower air flow. I've seen CIS come up a lot lately, is there something in the air? Anyone ever thought of going digifant? Digifant I lends itself easily to an engine like the type iv. |
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| VaccaRabite |
Sep 3 2011, 05:15 PM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,729 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(rohar @ Sep 2 2011, 10:56 PM) QUOTE(Vacca Rabite @ Jul 20 2011, 11:22 AM) Jake is your carb cam (the one similar to the 494) too aggressive for CIS? Zach After years of working CIS on other engines, I suspect it is. If the cam gets too agressive, the air lever in the fuel dizzy starts to move erratically. In theory, this can be abated by adding anti revision geometry to the intake track, but I've never tried it/seen it. I've only read about it from some of the ancient notes from Drake Engineering. That said, as you increase air velocity, cam becomes less and less important. I've run rabbit 8v engines well over 200hp on CIS. In that environment we could get away with cams that simply wouldn't work at lower air flow. I've seen CIS come up a lot lately, is there something in the air? Anyone ever thought of going digifant? Digifant I lends itself easily to an engine like the type iv. The 9530 cam that I have is supposed to run well with CIS. Jake says that he has used it for CIS engines in the past. That said, I'm going to MSII. Zach |
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dlee6204 Finally driving again! Jul 17 2011, 09:39 PM
rick 918-S :popcorn: I always thought CIS off a VW Rabbit wou... Jul 17 2011, 09:43 PM Prospectfarms :headbanger:
Great idea and congratulations. I... Jul 17 2011, 09:47 PM kg6dxn Were's all the pictures from the build? Jul 17 2011, 10:30 PM Vacca Rabite Information please!
Zach Jul 18 2011, 06:07 AM ripper911 Smokey wants more pictures!
http://www.914worl... Jul 18 2011, 06:24 AM BKLA CIS ='CALICO IS SLEEPING' ???
:) Jul 18 2011, 08:11 AM Jake Raby CIS works great on TIV engines.. I had the set up ... Jul 18 2011, 08:39 AM Cap'n Krusty CIS? Would that be "Cat In Situ"?
The ... Jul 18 2011, 08:51 AM
rwilner you guys are nuts...I don't let the cats on my... Jul 18 2011, 08:57 AM ripper911
you guys are nuts...I don't let the cats on m... Jul 18 2011, 01:09 PM montoya 73 2.0 I am working on the same thing except from what Ri... Jul 18 2011, 01:05 PM dlee6204 Okay here is a break down of everything I used.
... Jul 18 2011, 09:27 PM dlee6204 For the injectors I had to fab up some brackets a... Jul 18 2011, 09:29 PM dlee6204 And finally since I was completely new to anything... Jul 18 2011, 09:32 PM dlee6204 Oh and the cat is 18 years old and a HUGE 914 fan ... Jul 18 2011, 09:36 PM montoya 73 2.0 One of these Volvo 240 Aluminum Air Box Tray's... Jul 18 2011, 09:44 PM dlee6204
Yeah I need to do something about that. I had t... Jul 18 2011, 09:47 PM montoya 73 2.0 Jeffs914/6 was or is installing CIS on his 3.0.
V... Jul 18 2011, 09:53 PM ThinAir I was drooling over Dan & Jeff Dixon's CIS... Jul 18 2011, 10:37 PM dflesburg whats with the long pipe on the air box?
Why didn... Jul 19 2011, 07:28 AM dlee6204
Link saved! Thanks! The Rabbit I got m... Jul 19 2011, 08:30 AM dlee6204
The pipe goes from the Fuel Distributor/Airbox t... Jul 19 2011, 08:33 AM scotty b I would think CIS would also be great as the basic... Jul 19 2011, 01:15 PM ArtechnikA It's "basically" a mass-flow system ... Jul 19 2011, 01:29 PM Dr Evil There has been proof that CIS actually does fine w... Jul 19 2011, 03:55 PM ArtechnikA
There has been proof that CIS actually does fine ... Jul 19 2011, 04:37 PM Dr Evil
There has been proof that CIS actually does fine... Jul 19 2011, 06:04 PM ArtechnikA
...So, no need to arguetwasn't an argument. ... Jul 19 2011, 07:19 PM TargaToy Ok, Jake says it's a good system. He's th... Jul 19 2011, 08:10 PM scotty b
Ok, Jake says it's a good system. He's t... Jul 19 2011, 08:11 PM Vacca Rabite I have thought about CIS for my 2056, but have hel... Jul 19 2011, 08:28 PM scotty b
I have thought about CIS for my 2056, but have he... Jul 19 2011, 08:33 PM TargaToy Is this hard to integrate with a stock ECU? What ... Jul 19 2011, 08:43 PM dlee6204 I just thought I would post some links that I foun... Jul 19 2011, 09:21 PM Prospectfarms I'm not sure how that system would interface w... Jul 19 2011, 09:31 PM jcd914 I can't speak to the overlap limits with CIS (... Jul 20 2011, 01:47 AM Prospectfarms Thanks Jim, I value your "narrative of experi... Jul 20 2011, 06:56 AM Rex-n-effect My 81 Scirocco, daily driver, has 417,000 miles on... Jul 20 2011, 08:51 AM Rex-n-effect I have to take that back. I had to replace the Lam... Jul 20 2011, 09:01 AM Jake Raby Since the system is volume based it is imperative ... Jul 20 2011, 09:14 AM 914_teener
[quote name='rohar' post='1533899' date='Sep 2 20... Sep 24 2013, 10:44 PM charliew Jakes probably under a boxter looking for a oil le... Jul 20 2011, 12:29 PM ChrisNPDrider
Jakes probably under a boxter looking for a oil l... Jul 21 2011, 08:57 AM scotty b
Jakes probably under a boxter looking for a oil ... Jul 21 2011, 08:18 PM jaxdream Maybe one could get some stainless lines made up f... Jul 22 2011, 05:02 PM jimkelly curious?
if one were to use a megajolt jr with ed... Jul 22 2011, 08:28 PM Prospectfarms
curious?
if one were to use a megajolt jr with e... Jul 22 2011, 09:27 PM jcd914
[quote name='jimkelly' post='1513355' date='Jul 2... Jul 23 2011, 12:15 AM Prospectfarms :confused:
I've followed this thread hoping ... Jul 22 2011, 09:16 PM jcd914
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I've followed this thread hoping... Jul 23 2011, 12:12 AM Prospectfarms jcd914 wrote: "I put a 1.7L long block in a 7... Jul 23 2011, 03:12 PM rohar
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I don't know where a stash of late 70... Sep 2 2011, 10:30 PM jaxdream This mod would be a great alternative to buying a ... Jul 23 2011, 07:27 AM nein14 I can speak of it's reliability and performanc... Jul 27 2011, 10:45 AM dlee6204 A little update on this….
The car is running gr... Aug 2 2011, 11:09 PM jaxdream Great :Qarl: , I was wanting to see an update on ... Aug 3 2011, 08:30 AM pete-stevers great thread!! Sep 2 2011, 09:31 PM rohar After sleeping on it, I could be convinced to go o... Sep 3 2011, 12:20 PM Dr Evil Zach, for you I would gladly assemble a MSII for f... Sep 3 2011, 07:24 PM HAM Inc As for what happens with a radical cam with the CI... Sep 4 2011, 09:34 PM dlee6204 Small Update:
I've been driving the car alo... Sep 11 2011, 07:15 PM jaxdream Most Excellllent :Qarl: :Qarl: !!!... Sep 11 2011, 10:38 PM SirAndy Most Excellllent :Qarl: :Qarl: !!!... Sep 11 2011, 10:59 PM Vacca Rabite That GREAT!
Zach Sep 12 2011, 05:11 AM dlee6204 So I thought I would give one last quick update...... Nov 17 2011, 05:55 PM Dr Evil How cold? The cold start injector does not fire un... Nov 17 2011, 07:12 PM 76-914 Doug, what do you think is a fair price for this s... Nov 17 2011, 07:57 PM dlee6204
I know the cold start injector fires around 32 ... Nov 17 2011, 08:27 PM dlee6204
I would say you could get most of the components... Nov 17 2011, 08:33 PM pete-stevers i hope to build out my next 914 with a cis 1.7...r... Nov 17 2011, 08:34 PM Dion Doug,
Nice build. I have the CIS on my 2.0. It ... Nov 18 2011, 10:56 AM trojanhorsepower Hey Doug,
Looks good.
Glad you got it worked out... Nov 19 2011, 05:53 PM Jeffs9146
I used the Volvo box in my 3.0L 6 conversion and... Nov 19 2011, 06:24 PM nein14
I used the Volvo box in my 3.0L 6 conversion an... Nov 20 2011, 07:51 AM Kraftwerk Dion,
I like that set up, and a very clean ins... Nov 19 2011, 07:33 PM type47 So, how did you guys transition from the boot on t... Sep 16 2013, 02:25 PM dlee6204 I ended up switching to a 2.0L intake and Throttle... Sep 16 2013, 02:35 PM dlee6204 RE: Finally driving again! Sep 16 2013, 02:41 PM type47 That's beautiful! I have a plastic "S... Sep 16 2013, 02:50 PM Dion Nice work Jim,
My set up is using PVC pipe ... Sep 16 2013, 08:38 PM type47 Thanks for the pix, Dion. I asked this ? before; d... Sep 17 2013, 06:37 AM 914dave
Thanks for the pix, Dion. I asked this ? before; ... Sep 17 2013, 01:39 PM type47
I like your washer idea. That'll work just fi... Sep 17 2013, 03:36 PM rhodyguy will second generation jetta etc, cis work as well... Sep 17 2013, 06:48 AM Dion Hey Jim,
Glad Dave responded to your question. D... Sep 17 2013, 04:13 PM type47 Found an even better way to mount the injectors. 1... Sep 24 2013, 06:47 PM 914dave
Found an even better way to mount the injectors. ... Sep 25 2013, 04:12 AM jaxdream This has been a great thread to follow . I have a ... Sep 24 2013, 09:56 PM type47
I have a question about the injector retention m... Sep 25 2013, 05:52 AM jaxdream Thanks Jim , that was a great clarification , ment... Sep 25 2013, 08:25 AM type47 Progress is on schedule to try to fire this thing ... Oct 2 2013, 04:24 PM dlee6204 You shouldn't need an accumulator. I don... Oct 2 2013, 05:15 PM type47 :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRLyDnp7G_0 Oct 13 2013, 07:01 AM jimkelly stainless steel braided fuel lines of CIS is way c... Oct 13 2013, 07:53 AM Kraftwerk Jim,
enjoyed that film and the narration... Oct 13 2013, 11:06 PM |
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