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post Oct 16 2011, 04:45 PM
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RIP. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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Barber has been a huge success both years it has raced there, but that is not a good track for those cars. There is only one place to pass (the hairpin) and is just to tight for such long-legged cars. But none-the-less it is safe and a big hit for the series.

Phoenix is a great oval for Indy cars, but fan turn-out was even worse than the other ovals. Maybe that would improve once the economy around Phoenix picks up. Loudon is another good oval for them. Richmond was okay and had good crowds, but that track is way to tight as well. There just aren't many good ovals (minimum banking) for IndyCars. They used to race at Pocono, maybe they could go back there now that the track has made the safety improvements that were needed to keep them there years ago. Don't know if Milwaukee is ever going to be an option again because of the ownership.

IndyCar is hanging on to ovals out of sense of tradition and because most grass-roots American racing is oval based. Being a big fan of open-wheel tradition and grass-roots oval racing I understand that. But times have changed and there are no grass-roots oval feeder series that prepare racers for Indy cars. Sprint cars, for decades the path to Indy, lost there relevance over 40years ago. Any chance that sprinters would continue to prepare developing racers for Indy cars was shot down in the 70's when USAC banned rear-engined sprint cars. The notion being that it would add to much to the cost for owners to have to maintain a conventional front-engined dirt chassis and rear-engined asphalt car.
That logic was flawed as by then almost all front running teams had specialty asphalt cars anyway.

The last sprint car grad that I can recall getting a top-flite Indy car ride was Gary Bettenhausen, who signed with Penske in 73 or 74. His addiction to the sprinters and dirt champ cars cost him the ride when he crashed his dirt champ car and lost the use of an arm. Since then all top teams have signed guys with road race backgrounds. Al Unser Jr. started his career in sprinters, but then moved to Super Vees and Can-Am cars before graduating to Indy.

I hate to admit it, but I think unless someone figures something out, the ovals just aren't going to be practical for IndyCars future. This accident has pretty well driven home this point and I'm sure current and potential sponsors have taken note.
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BMXerror   OT: Dan Whelden Killed in Indycar crash...   Oct 16 2011, 04:45 PM
Gint   I was watching the race. Very sad. It's so m...   Oct 16 2011, 04:58 PM
barada   RIP. :( http://news.yahoo.com/wheldon-dies-mass...   Oct 16 2011, 05:28 PM
my wife hates my car   Very sad..........not a huge fan of IRL, but watch...   Oct 16 2011, 06:07 PM
carr914   I was watching the race. Very sad. It's so ...   Oct 16 2011, 06:31 PM
URY914   IRL needs to ask themselves if this could be avoid...   Oct 16 2011, 06:54 PM
bcheney   IRL needs to ask themselves if this could be avoi...   Oct 17 2011, 04:54 AM
URY914   RE: OT: Dan Whelden Killed in Indycar crash...   Oct 16 2011, 07:28 PM
Dion   I saw the race live,not used to having these pros ...   Oct 16 2011, 08:08 PM
kg6dxn   :( 8HkdSslyW9I?   Oct 16 2011, 08:09 PM
Ferg   I was there today, saw the whole thing happen and ...   Oct 16 2011, 09:53 PM
zymurgist   Very sad. RIP :(   Oct 17 2011, 05:00 AM
mark21742   One of the worst crashes I've seen in a long t...   Oct 17 2011, 05:23 AM
dion9146   RIP Dan Wheldon   Oct 17 2011, 05:28 AM
HAM Inc   I've felt for years that these cars don't ...   Oct 17 2011, 07:17 AM
Randal   I've felt for years that these cars don't...   Oct 17 2011, 09:43 AM
396   RIP   Oct 17 2011, 07:53 AM
Vacca Rabite   RIP The dude had talent. Its a shame that he is ...   Oct 17 2011, 08:40 AM
jeff   IRL needs to ask themselves if this could be avoid...   Oct 17 2011, 09:42 AM
Vacca Rabite   IRL needs to ask themselves if this could be avoi...   Oct 17 2011, 11:10 AM
URY914   CART never ran on banked tracks because of the spe...   Oct 17 2011, 11:42 AM
championgt1   CART never ran on banked tracks because of the sp...   Oct 17 2011, 04:36 PM
boogie_man   CART never ran on banked tracks because of the sp...   Oct 17 2011, 06:08 PM
URY914   CART never ran on banked tracks because of the s...   Oct 17 2011, 07:59 PM
Eric_Shea   Too many cars on the track. Too much money at sta...   Oct 17 2011, 11:43 AM
RFoulds   When I lived in Tampa, I was fortunate to work wit...   Oct 17 2011, 12:17 PM
patrick3000   Very sad RIP   Oct 17 2011, 12:20 PM
Drums66   ......Peace out, Dan :flag1:   Oct 17 2011, 04:09 PM
carr914   IRL needs to ask themselves if this could be avo...   Oct 17 2011, 05:23 PM
carr914   CART never ran on banked tracks because of the sp...   Oct 17 2011, 05:32 PM
HAM Inc   Barber has been a huge success both years it has r...   Oct 17 2011, 06:10 PM
dion9146   Not arguing a point either way, but i think Sam Ho...   Oct 17 2011, 07:29 PM
jeffdon   That was the most horrific crash i have seen in so...   Oct 17 2011, 07:59 PM
Dave_Darling   At Rennsport, i was having my first close look of ...   Oct 17 2011, 08:27 PM
carr914   Not arguing a point either way, but i think Sam H...   Oct 17 2011, 08:45 PM
HAM Inc   Hornish raced Atlantics. He once said he thought...   Oct 17 2011, 08:48 PM
HAM Inc   How on Earth could I forget Tony! Back when ...   Oct 17 2011, 08:56 PM
carr914   I agree that Penske & Ganassi know where to go...   Oct 17 2011, 08:56 PM
6freak   Sad day indeed .....but like i will always say ......   Oct 19 2011, 02:56 PM


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