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> Wonky prices for 914 parts/cars, driven by greed, What can we do about it?
JeffBowlsby
post Oct 24 2011, 01:41 PM
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I know its all about supply and demand and what some are willing to pay, but sometimes we see pricing on 914s and 914 parts that are completely beyond reason. Some are taken by these scams. Most will recognize these ploys, but a greedy seller needs only one sucker and the whole hobby for our cars suffers.

Would it be useful if we as a club developed pricing guideline for parts/cars, based on recent sales of similar, condition, rarity, and listing other options, like available repro sources for those that are not aware?

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post Oct 24 2011, 07:12 PM
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Ah,the land of capitalism, we all love the concept until it hits our wallet... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)
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post Oct 24 2011, 07:52 PM
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QUOTE(somd914 @ Oct 24 2011, 09:12 PM) *

Ah,the land of capitalism, we all love the concept until it hits our wallet... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)


If you are criticizing J. Bowlsby's OP as being somehow anti-capitalistic you don't understand the term.

A club can't control prices so don't worry about that. Even within an absolutely unregulated economy, the buyer is still permitted to seek and receive information prior to a transaction. A club is a group of potential buyers and are free to disseminate info about a potential transaction without violating any free market principles.

Organizations do this all the time. Even businesses, e.g., "Don't buy stock in ATT at the current price 'cause they didn't sell many telephones this month." Anyone heard of "consumer reports?"

Knee-jerking against consumer protection as being somehow in opposition to capitalism is a really bad idea.

The only problem I have with Jeff's proposal is that it sound's like too much work.



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QUOTE(Prospectfarms @ Oct 24 2011, 09:52 PM) *

QUOTE(somd914 @ Oct 24 2011, 09:12 PM) *

Ah,the land of capitalism, we all love the concept until it hits our wallet... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)


If you are criticizing J. Bowlsby's OP as being somehow anti-capitalistic you don't understand the term.




But what definition of capitalism are you referring to? There are many, e.g.:

"Free market capitalism consists of a free-price system where supply and demand are allowed to reach their point of equilibrium without intervention by the government."

Shall we insert the word "club" for "government"?

In general, the driving factor is to make profit.

I know I over pay on some items, but if I need it and don't know when it will be available again, that's the price I pay.

I find it ironic that everytime a house goes on the market in the neighborhood, everyone is hoping for a high selling price to boost their equity. Yet, when they are buying, they want it cheap.



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QUOTE(somd914 @ Oct 24 2011, 11:00 PM) *

QUOTE(Prospectfarms @ Oct 24 2011, 09:52 PM) *

QUOTE(somd914 @ Oct 24 2011, 09:12 PM) *

Ah,the land of capitalism, we all love the concept until it hits our wallet... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)


If you are criticizing J. Bowlsby's OP as being somehow anti-capitalistic you don't understand the term.




But what definition of capitalism are you referring to? There are many, e.g.:

"Free market capitalism consists of a free-price system where supply and demand are allowed to reach their point of equilibrium without intervention by the government."

Shall we insert the word "club" for "government"?

In general, the driving factor is to make profit.

I know I over pay on some items, but if I need it and don't know when it will be available again, that's the price I pay.

I find it ironic that everytime a house goes on the market in the neighborhood, everyone is hoping for a high selling price to boost their equity. Yet, when they are buying, they want it cheap.


Ok, so you didn't get it the first time.... turn off Fox News for a few minutes and focus. 914world can't regulate prices. That's not the point of Bowlsby's post. 914 world can provide a means for members to communicate their opinions about the value of a used car part. That is what other "clubs," like the "Wall Street Journal", do every day.

Jeff was proposing a more systematic "system" for tracking and reporting the value of used car parts. That's what the "new york stock exchange" does every day. E.g., if I offer you a share of Stuartco for $10 you know I'm full of BS and don't buy 'cause it's only trading for $5 right now on the NYSE.

Giving and receiving opinions on value and tracking prices are hardly contradictory to a free market, rather, they are absolutely necessary for the market to operate. Without a reliable way to gauge a market, no one buys .

Some of you have been conditioned to believe that asking sellers to follow rules or disseminating market information is anti-capitalistic. At least that is how it's sounding to me. Why for goodness sake should doing so be OK for Standard and Poors, but not you, or the organizations to which you belong? If 914 world had the resources to track sales of used car parts, they could publish a daily price sheet for used car parts and that would help, not hinder "free market capitalism."
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Jeff Bowlsby   Wonky prices for 914 parts/cars, driven by greed   Oct 24 2011, 01:41 PM
shoguneagle   I think Jeff has a very valid point. We should ha...   Oct 24 2011, 01:48 PM
J P Stein   Back in the day when I went to a swap meat....meet...   Oct 24 2011, 01:50 PM
r_towle   Interesting suggestion, what spawned this? In an ...   Oct 24 2011, 02:06 PM
thelogo   Yeh i've noticed this tooo . I mean ho...   Oct 24 2011, 02:07 PM
bandjoey   If we really care (and we do :D ) then the best t...   Oct 24 2011, 02:12 PM
jsconst   This is a great idea and needed service to the wor...   Oct 24 2011, 02:14 PM
rick 918-S   I think part of the issue is what guys want for pa...   Oct 24 2011, 02:22 PM
mikea100   This is a great idea and will be especially helpfu...   Oct 24 2011, 02:41 PM
JRust   That is a huge can of worms. It is pretty tough to...   Oct 24 2011, 02:56 PM
Scarlet75   I have to agree. Some members are good and easy to...   Oct 24 2011, 03:11 PM
tod914   http://www.ebay.com/itm/OE-Genuine-Porsche...=item...   Oct 24 2011, 03:21 PM
matthepcat   That's disgraceful pricing. Although with my ...   Oct 24 2011, 03:34 PM
thelogo   http://www.ebay.com/itm/OE-Genuine-Porsche...=ite...   Oct 25 2011, 12:11 PM
Elliot Cannon   [quote name='tod914' post='1560523' date='Oct 24 ...   Oct 25 2011, 09:16 PM
914rat   If you read between the lines what JP said makes s...   Oct 24 2011, 03:57 PM
eric9144   There are some vendors out there who, like the HPH...   Oct 24 2011, 04:00 PM
siverson   What's the problem? People can [try to] sell t...   Oct 24 2011, 04:20 PM
rick 918-S   What's the problem? People can [try to] sell ...   Oct 24 2011, 04:30 PM
rjames   What's the problem? People can [try to] sell ...   Oct 24 2011, 04:37 PM
rick 918-S   What's the problem? People can [try to] sell...   Oct 24 2011, 04:42 PM
vsg914   1250? Wow. I have about 20 of them. Some even have...   Oct 24 2011, 04:25 PM
BKLA   the HPH ad for taillights is not a good example. T...   Oct 24 2011, 04:42 PM
underthetire   Personally, I like the world traffic idea. And rea...   Oct 24 2011, 04:47 PM
eric9144   My morbid curiosity has me wondering what event or...   Oct 24 2011, 04:52 PM
tod914   the HPH ad for taillights is not a good example. ...   Oct 24 2011, 05:16 PM
Elliot Cannon   When a newbie logs on and says he just bought his ...   Oct 24 2011, 05:19 PM
JmuRiz   Used parts market is whatever the price sells for....   Oct 24 2011, 05:21 PM
rdauenhauer   Hmmmm I kinda feel like Jamie, thats a can o' ...   Oct 24 2011, 05:43 PM
carr914   There was an Ad recently in our Classifieds for Pa...   Oct 24 2011, 05:45 PM
Vacca Rabite   I don't know. I kinda think people should cha...   Oct 24 2011, 05:50 PM
rdauenhauer   There was an Ad recently in our Classifieds for P...   Oct 24 2011, 05:51 PM
jaxdream   There was an Ad recently in our Classifieds for ...   Oct 25 2011, 08:38 AM
jaxdream   :popcorn: Jack   Oct 24 2011, 05:54 PM
SLITS   When an item is priced beyond what I think it is w...   Oct 24 2011, 05:57 PM
reharvey   I,ve sold some parts dirt cheap to help someone ou...   Oct 24 2011, 06:02 PM
kg6dxn   I would buy parts from anybody that posted in this...   Oct 24 2011, 06:09 PM
Twise   I have not sold any old parts - I give them to wor...   Oct 24 2011, 06:13 PM
mepstein   I know its all about supply and demand and what s...   Oct 24 2011, 06:46 PM
kg6dxn   I know its all about supply and demand and what ...   Oct 24 2011, 07:06 PM
rick 918-S   [quote name='mepstein' post='1560662' date='Oct 2...   Oct 24 2011, 07:39 PM
76-914   Babtism by fire, baby. I got mine when I first sta...   Oct 24 2011, 06:47 PM
aircooledtechguy   Just like cars, parts are worth only what someone ...   Oct 24 2011, 06:49 PM
somd914   Ah,the land of capitalism, we all love the concept...   Oct 24 2011, 07:12 PM
Prospectfarms   Ah,the land of capitalism, we all love the concep...   Oct 24 2011, 07:52 PM
somd914   Ah,the land of capitalism, we all love the conce...   Oct 24 2011, 09:00 PM
Prospectfarms   [quote name='Prospectfarms' post='1560710' date='...   Oct 24 2011, 11:09 PM
somd914   Ok, so you didn't get it the first time.......   Oct 25 2011, 03:59 AM
Brett W   I will happily chair the Committee for Fairness in...   Oct 24 2011, 07:47 PM
ptravnic   I feel dumber after reading read this thread.   Oct 24 2011, 07:54 PM
shuie   Greed? Really? Is anyone making any real money sel...   Oct 24 2011, 07:58 PM
Vacca Rabite   The thing about pricing guidelines in fluid market...   Oct 24 2011, 08:03 PM
Prospectfarms   The thing about pricing guidelines in fluid marke...   Oct 24 2011, 08:09 PM
J P Stein   I know a fella down in Oregon who is on Porsche...   Oct 24 2011, 08:36 PM
9146986   I have a lot of respect for Jeff B., but this trul...   Oct 24 2011, 09:15 PM
Krieger   Yeah, the collective should set prices on all used...   Oct 24 2011, 09:33 PM
kg6dxn   Yeah, the collective should set prices on all use...   Oct 24 2011, 09:42 PM
Krieger   Now your talkin' comrade Mike! All that d...   Oct 24 2011, 09:50 PM
Jeff Bowlsby   Whoooooaaaaa nellie.... It looks like my original...   Oct 24 2011, 10:23 PM
John Jentz   Whoooooaaaaa nellie.... It looks like my origina...   Oct 25 2011, 08:44 AM
Jeff Bowlsby   Actually my NOS pricing guide is as current and as...   Oct 26 2011, 09:42 AM
aircooledtechguy   I merely floated the idea of a price guideline, t...   Oct 26 2011, 08:34 AM
hwgunner   Well, what I think is you might get into a problem...   Oct 24 2011, 10:31 PM
drive-ability   :confused: Some times its just :confused: My i...   Oct 25 2011, 12:57 AM
J P Stein   To try to track sales of parts and publish a d...   Oct 25 2011, 07:54 AM
Loser_Cruiser   [size=5][b]I think we could start by not delet...   Oct 25 2011, 08:42 AM
rick 918-S   Man this thing went sideways. :screwy: Now were k...   Oct 25 2011, 01:05 PM
hwgunner   Man this thing went sideways. :screwy: Now were ...   Oct 25 2011, 01:51 PM
kg6dxn   I think this thread is out of control, way off top...   Oct 25 2011, 01:08 PM
hwgunner   I think this thread is out of control, way off to...   Oct 25 2011, 01:51 PM
Spoke   Our world is one of a free market. One can charge...   Oct 25 2011, 02:13 PM
championgt1   Our world is one of a free market. One can charg...   Oct 25 2011, 10:03 PM
kwales   Dang! So how much did I lose on a pair of NOS...   Oct 25 2011, 05:34 PM
A&PGirl   How is this any different to NADA? Of course, ...   Oct 25 2011, 06:39 PM
mikea100   :popcorn:   Oct 25 2011, 09:12 PM
pete000   70 grand for a 914 !!! WOW ! http...   Oct 26 2011, 12:01 AM
BK911   Do you think that part is too expensive? Don’t ...   Oct 26 2011, 07:51 AM


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