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pcar916
post Dec 29 2011, 07:27 AM
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How many of you are using gear pumps instead of diaphragm types and what filter element (micron) sizes are you using?
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post Dec 30 2011, 05:51 AM
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Gosh, I just typed in responses for the last 30 minutes and the battery went dead so they're gone. Thanks for the responses and I'll get back to this later today after tending to some urgent stuff. In short...

3.6L /w short-geared 914. I'm building up a 915 soon that will use the same cooling system.

1. Temps about 210 and higher in southern summers and aggressive hours through the Arkansas hills and on the track
2. Want to filter out particulates (Clutch LSD)
3. Increased fluid capacity (longer fluid life)

I think Weldon is a vaned pump. Very nice but more than I want to spend since a helical spur-gear will work just fine for $275 instead of nearly $600.

Weldon uses 100 micron, RBRacing uses 90. I've spoken to them and the Mocal 240 micron filter will be fine for a transaxle system. I'm not cooling turbocharger bearings here. More later...
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post Dec 30 2011, 10:37 PM
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QUOTE(pcar916 @ Dec 30 2011, 03:51 AM) *

Gosh, I just typed in responses for the last 30 minutes and the battery went dead so they're gone. Thanks for the responses and I'll get back to this later today after tending to some urgent stuff. In short...

3.6L /w short-geared 914. I'm building up a 915 soon that will use the same cooling system.

1. Temps about 210 and higher in southern summers and aggressive hours through the Arkansas hills and on the track
2. Want to filter out particulates (Clutch LSD)
3. Increased fluid capacity (longer fluid life)

I think Weldon is a vaned pump. Very nice but more than I want to spend since a helical spur-gear will work just fine for $275 instead of nearly $600.

Weldon uses 100 micron, RBRacing uses 90. I've spoken to them and the Mocal 240 micron filter will be fine for a transaxle system. I'm not cooling turbocharger bearings here. More later...


Hey pcar916,

OK, then... you really know what's involved with your application! It seems that the oil temp is not the real issue, but keeping the oil clean is: Very Smart.

I went with a TORSEN diff in my 930 just to avoid the clutch plates in a limited slip diff. While the LSD is a better diff, those plates wear all the time and require radjusting & eplacement. I experienced this years ago with a Datsun 510 I raced with an LSD diff.

210 Deg in Southern Heat seems like NO Problem to me as conventional oil doesn't really start breaking down until above 250 Degand synthetics go much higher.

Since your goal is actually circulating and cleaning, may I suggest again the low-cost approach I used with the power steering pump? I think I paid $30 for it and $25 for the small oil cooler. Make your own "Aeroquip" lines and you're set!

Question: I have have heard a general belief that the 915 is not much, if any, stronger than the 901. Is this another erroneous "Legend?"

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Terry
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pcar916   Transaxle oil cooler pumps   Dec 29 2011, 07:27 AM
stugray   I was a little interested in this as well. When in...   Dec 29 2011, 06:12 PM
Brett W   Gear pumps are light years better than the diaphra...   Dec 29 2011, 08:02 PM
Richard Casto   I think this is an interesting topic as well. You...   Dec 29 2011, 08:24 PM
stewteral   How many of you are using gear pumps instead of d...   Dec 30 2011, 12:22 AM
pcar916   Gosh, I just typed in responses for the last 30 mi...   Dec 30 2011, 05:51 AM
stewteral   Gosh, I just typed in responses for the last 30 m...   Dec 30 2011, 10:37 PM
pcar916   Now in order of the questions. I considered posti...   Dec 31 2011, 06:03 AM
Richard Casto   Continues to be a great thread! Keep posting ...   Dec 31 2011, 09:30 PM
Downunderman   On my 2.7 I am using a sportomatic pump driven off...   Dec 31 2011, 12:12 PM
pcar916   ... and pressure feed the input shaft bearing thr...   Jan 2 2012, 02:38 PM
john rogers   When I added the pump and cooler setup to the race...   Dec 31 2011, 07:22 PM
pcar916   Looks nice. Is the Tilton constant duty? I talke...   Dec 31 2011, 08:27 PM
john rogers   Most of the sprayers I saw installed had one nozzl...   Jan 2 2012, 08:18 PM
pcar916   ... never to spray the oil into the R/P mesh as i...   Jan 3 2012, 07:10 AM
Richard Casto   I always understood the mesh squirter was a bad i...   Jan 3 2012, 07:45 AM
pcar916   I would love to see what it looks like inside a t...   Jan 3 2012, 09:55 AM
Downunderman   The oil feed for the input shaft bearing is throug...   Jan 3 2012, 11:38 AM
john rogers   Well the R&P question pops up again as I suspe...   Jan 3 2012, 06:35 PM
Richard Casto   Well the R&P question pops up again as I susp...   Jan 3 2012, 08:47 PM
pcar916   Now there's some empirical data. John, what wa...   Jan 3 2012, 10:04 PM
john rogers   Good question about the oiling of gear assemblies ...   Jan 4 2012, 11:06 AM
pcar916   Aftermarket (billet) side plates are available for...   Jan 4 2012, 01:03 PM
john rogers   Well, for various HP ratings, Black Forest in San ...   Jan 4 2012, 05:23 PM
pcar916   ... 220 to 300 HP use a cooler and rebuild at the...   Jan 5 2012, 06:29 PM
ottox914   The location of the pump will make a difference. G...   Jan 5 2012, 07:37 PM
pcar916   Gear drive pumps... need a gravity feed- they won...   Jan 5 2012, 08:10 PM
john rogers   You are correct about the "gear" pump an...   Jan 6 2012, 11:41 AM
pcar916   ... We would then filter the trans fluid... How...   Jan 6 2012, 12:49 PM
john rogers   In the pictures I posted there is a bright red fil...   Jan 6 2012, 02:40 PM
pcar916   I thought I'd follow up with a summary of the ...   Jan 14 2012, 11:04 AM
Randal   I thought I'd follow up with a summary of the...   Jan 20 2012, 08:36 PM
pcar916   What is the breakdown of the $308 and do you...   Jan 20 2012, 10:19 PM
stewteral   I thought I'd follow up with a summary of the...   Jan 20 2012, 11:47 PM
pcar916   I MUST. As I put in an earlier post temps on the...   Jan 21 2012, 08:28 AM
john rogers   Did you give Patrick in Phoenix a call although th...   Jan 14 2012, 10:30 PM
pcar916   I didn't give Patrick a call because I already...   Jan 15 2012, 10:34 AM
john rogers   Generally those pumps can handle the gear oil temp...   Jan 15 2012, 08:04 PM
pcar916   ... or you park on a very steep downhill grade al...   Jan 18 2012, 11:29 AM
john rogers   The temp setup Patrick sells uses the speedo hole....   Jan 18 2012, 12:29 PM
Racer Chris   I'm planning on installing a trans cooler in m...   Jan 21 2012, 07:23 AM
stewteral   I'm planning on installing a trans cooler in ...   Jan 21 2012, 12:29 PM
Randal   I'm planning on installing a trans cooler in ...   Jan 21 2012, 12:47 PM
J P Stein   [ It would be hard to believe that the transmiss...   Jan 21 2012, 01:06 PM
Randal   [ It would be hard to believe that the transmis...   Jan 21 2012, 09:19 PM
Racer Chris   So is it the fluid losing capability or the metal...   Jan 21 2012, 10:00 PM
J P Stein   I'm with Chris on this. Porsche's syncro ...   Jan 22 2012, 11:04 AM
john rogers   For the temps question, I found with my trans temp...   Jan 26 2012, 12:04 AM
pcar916   The simplest plumb... in, out, and a vent to the c...   Jan 30 2012, 05:45 PM
pcar916   Finally time for an update. I forced myself off of...   Jul 10 2012, 11:19 AM
pcar916   The engine compartment plumbed and the temperature...   Jul 10 2012, 11:23 AM
396   Thanks for sharing. Great looking set up   Jul 24 2012, 07:47 PM
brant   Chris, my race trans builder switched me over t...   Jul 24 2012, 10:18 PM
pcar916   Thanks, I've done all I can to make sure it st...   Jul 25 2012, 09:21 AM
naro914   I am planning to do something similar. Been taking...   Aug 15 2012, 08:01 AM
pcar916   This geared pump has no trouble at all pumping eve...   Aug 16 2012, 09:54 AM
naro914   Guys, For those using the Tilton pump, how noisy i...   Aug 30 2012, 02:01 PM
pcar916   Ok, since I haven't seen an answer to this noi...   Sep 18 2012, 09:44 AM
moggy   Ok, since I haven't seen an answer to this no...   Sep 18 2012, 05:01 PM
pcar916   I was wondering if the RB Racing pump has the sam...   Sep 18 2012, 05:21 PM
naro914   I hadn't heard that the Tilton had a 2 hour du...   Sep 18 2012, 05:51 PM
pcar916   I hadn't heard that the Tilton had a 2 hour d...   Sep 18 2012, 09:12 PM
pcar916   Double post deleted...   Sep 19 2012, 03:06 PM
brant   I finished my complete install and will be testing...   Sep 18 2012, 08:56 PM
brant   I added pictures of my finished cooler install int...   Sep 19 2012, 06:55 PM
moggy   I added pictures of my finished cooler install in...   Sep 20 2012, 04:55 AM
moggy   I added pictures of my finished cooler install in...   Sep 27 2012, 01:37 PM
brant   things went really well I did not play with differ...   Sep 27 2012, 10:52 PM
moggy   things went really well I did not play with diffe...   Sep 28 2012, 01:38 PM
pcar916   Nice build Brant. Specs on that pump from your pix...   Sep 20 2012, 07:28 AM
moggy   Hey, Ron. What was the part number of the pump you...   Sep 20 2012, 02:45 PM
pcar916   Hey, Ron. What was the part number of the pump yo...   Sep 20 2012, 03:53 PM
mrbubblehead   Hi, great thread. I am gathering the pieces now fo...   Jan 10 2013, 08:52 PM
moggy   Hi, great thread. I am gathering the pieces now f...   Jan 11 2013, 03:33 PM
mrbubblehead   Thank you for the photos. What I am really after a...   Jan 11 2013, 08:10 PM
moggy   Thank you for the photos. What I am really after ...   Jan 12 2013, 10:10 AM
brant   I agree with Moogy. limited slip differentials cre...   Jan 12 2013, 12:16 PM


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