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pcar916
post Dec 29 2011, 07:27 AM
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How many of you are using gear pumps instead of diaphragm types and what filter element (micron) sizes are you using?
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post Dec 31 2011, 06:03 AM
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Now in order of the questions.

I considered posting in the garage but thought this group more likely to have a higher ratio of oil coolers per car. I still might if questions linger.

1. I don't know where to drill to get the transaxle to pump itself enough to get the oil through a cooling system but that would be... cool.

2. Figuring out where to drill for fittings is always an interesting task. Often the best places have webbing there. so building up an epoxy boss is always a solution. I just don't like the eventual leak that will form there.

2. I'm sure the temps go much higher in summer but I wasn't tracking them then. I've noticed that on pix of existing systems my cooler is larger than most of them (15,000 BTU IIRC) so I may slow the pump down with a pulse-width controller if the cooling is too aggressive. I could use a thermostat but I like simple and once this is dialed in it'll likely be a transparent system outside of filter maintenance.

3. I've been using synthetic hypoid since 1998,.. no synchro problems and I'm sure my R&P's are happier with the synthetic EP package. The added detergents will get more of the particulates into the filter as well.

4. I'd really like to install a complete squirter system in both boxes, and started this project with that in mind. but most of the advantages are gotten by simply filtering and cooling the sump load. I really do like the cooling effect of the squirters but don't think the added BTU removal would be worth the increased aeration that would reduce the efficiency of the external cooler. I like cooling fluid better than foam. It carries more heat and won't cavitate the pump.

5. I haven't seen the inside of the factory 915's with the housing pump to know where the pickup (and maybe a screen) is either. That certainly is an elegant solution and the boss in the casting (for that pump) just sits there and taunts me... yeah.

6. I have the power steering pump that came on the 3.6 and thought about that too. But I don't know the specs of the pump and thought that, since it's job is to make really high pressure at a low flow rate, that the volume might be too low. I was gonna run it from a pulley mounted between the inboard CV and the output flange.

But the electrics give me control over the pump speed and I may be able to do my lube changes by reversing the pump if I put in a T-fitting between the pump outlet and the check valve. I wouldn't be able to do that with a diaphragm pump and I want to change out the filter element and lube from above the car.

OT: To the strength of the 915 over the 914 boxes... I'm not near my machines but the mainshaft of the 915 is slightly larger than the 914 but that's not the main reason I like 'em. I'm running 7:31 R&P's in both and that's a very stressed pair of gears. The 915 ring gear has a bigger diameter than the 914 and the pinion is larger as well. So there is more meat at the mesh surfaces to take the load as well as a slightly longer lever arm to the diff-axis. That said the 915 is definitely heavier.

I'm going to do as much as I can to make the 915 shift as sweetly as the 914. Just wish they had Borg Warner synchros without the extra weight of a G-50... but that's off topic in this thread!
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pcar916   Transaxle oil cooler pumps   Dec 29 2011, 07:27 AM
stugray   I was a little interested in this as well. When in...   Dec 29 2011, 06:12 PM
Brett W   Gear pumps are light years better than the diaphra...   Dec 29 2011, 08:02 PM
Richard Casto   I think this is an interesting topic as well. You...   Dec 29 2011, 08:24 PM
stewteral   How many of you are using gear pumps instead of d...   Dec 30 2011, 12:22 AM
pcar916   Gosh, I just typed in responses for the last 30 mi...   Dec 30 2011, 05:51 AM
stewteral   Gosh, I just typed in responses for the last 30 m...   Dec 30 2011, 10:37 PM
pcar916   Now in order of the questions. I considered posti...   Dec 31 2011, 06:03 AM
Richard Casto   Continues to be a great thread! Keep posting ...   Dec 31 2011, 09:30 PM
Downunderman   On my 2.7 I am using a sportomatic pump driven off...   Dec 31 2011, 12:12 PM
pcar916   ... and pressure feed the input shaft bearing thr...   Jan 2 2012, 02:38 PM
john rogers   When I added the pump and cooler setup to the race...   Dec 31 2011, 07:22 PM
pcar916   Looks nice. Is the Tilton constant duty? I talke...   Dec 31 2011, 08:27 PM
john rogers   Most of the sprayers I saw installed had one nozzl...   Jan 2 2012, 08:18 PM
pcar916   ... never to spray the oil into the R/P mesh as i...   Jan 3 2012, 07:10 AM
Richard Casto   I always understood the mesh squirter was a bad i...   Jan 3 2012, 07:45 AM
pcar916   I would love to see what it looks like inside a t...   Jan 3 2012, 09:55 AM
Downunderman   The oil feed for the input shaft bearing is throug...   Jan 3 2012, 11:38 AM
john rogers   Well the R&P question pops up again as I suspe...   Jan 3 2012, 06:35 PM
Richard Casto   Well the R&P question pops up again as I susp...   Jan 3 2012, 08:47 PM
pcar916   Now there's some empirical data. John, what wa...   Jan 3 2012, 10:04 PM
john rogers   Good question about the oiling of gear assemblies ...   Jan 4 2012, 11:06 AM
pcar916   Aftermarket (billet) side plates are available for...   Jan 4 2012, 01:03 PM
john rogers   Well, for various HP ratings, Black Forest in San ...   Jan 4 2012, 05:23 PM
pcar916   ... 220 to 300 HP use a cooler and rebuild at the...   Jan 5 2012, 06:29 PM
ottox914   The location of the pump will make a difference. G...   Jan 5 2012, 07:37 PM
pcar916   Gear drive pumps... need a gravity feed- they won...   Jan 5 2012, 08:10 PM
john rogers   You are correct about the "gear" pump an...   Jan 6 2012, 11:41 AM
pcar916   ... We would then filter the trans fluid... How...   Jan 6 2012, 12:49 PM
john rogers   In the pictures I posted there is a bright red fil...   Jan 6 2012, 02:40 PM
pcar916   I thought I'd follow up with a summary of the ...   Jan 14 2012, 11:04 AM
Randal   I thought I'd follow up with a summary of the...   Jan 20 2012, 08:36 PM
pcar916   What is the breakdown of the $308 and do you...   Jan 20 2012, 10:19 PM
stewteral   I thought I'd follow up with a summary of the...   Jan 20 2012, 11:47 PM
pcar916   I MUST. As I put in an earlier post temps on the...   Jan 21 2012, 08:28 AM
john rogers   Did you give Patrick in Phoenix a call although th...   Jan 14 2012, 10:30 PM
pcar916   I didn't give Patrick a call because I already...   Jan 15 2012, 10:34 AM
john rogers   Generally those pumps can handle the gear oil temp...   Jan 15 2012, 08:04 PM
pcar916   ... or you park on a very steep downhill grade al...   Jan 18 2012, 11:29 AM
john rogers   The temp setup Patrick sells uses the speedo hole....   Jan 18 2012, 12:29 PM
Racer Chris   I'm planning on installing a trans cooler in m...   Jan 21 2012, 07:23 AM
stewteral   I'm planning on installing a trans cooler in ...   Jan 21 2012, 12:29 PM
Randal   I'm planning on installing a trans cooler in ...   Jan 21 2012, 12:47 PM
J P Stein   [ It would be hard to believe that the transmiss...   Jan 21 2012, 01:06 PM
Randal   [ It would be hard to believe that the transmis...   Jan 21 2012, 09:19 PM
Racer Chris   So is it the fluid losing capability or the metal...   Jan 21 2012, 10:00 PM
J P Stein   I'm with Chris on this. Porsche's syncro ...   Jan 22 2012, 11:04 AM
john rogers   For the temps question, I found with my trans temp...   Jan 26 2012, 12:04 AM
pcar916   The simplest plumb... in, out, and a vent to the c...   Jan 30 2012, 05:45 PM
pcar916   Finally time for an update. I forced myself off of...   Jul 10 2012, 11:19 AM
pcar916   The engine compartment plumbed and the temperature...   Jul 10 2012, 11:23 AM
396   Thanks for sharing. Great looking set up   Jul 24 2012, 07:47 PM
brant   Chris, my race trans builder switched me over t...   Jul 24 2012, 10:18 PM
pcar916   Thanks, I've done all I can to make sure it st...   Jul 25 2012, 09:21 AM
naro914   I am planning to do something similar. Been taking...   Aug 15 2012, 08:01 AM
pcar916   This geared pump has no trouble at all pumping eve...   Aug 16 2012, 09:54 AM
naro914   Guys, For those using the Tilton pump, how noisy i...   Aug 30 2012, 02:01 PM
pcar916   Ok, since I haven't seen an answer to this noi...   Sep 18 2012, 09:44 AM
moggy   Ok, since I haven't seen an answer to this no...   Sep 18 2012, 05:01 PM
pcar916   I was wondering if the RB Racing pump has the sam...   Sep 18 2012, 05:21 PM
naro914   I hadn't heard that the Tilton had a 2 hour du...   Sep 18 2012, 05:51 PM
pcar916   I hadn't heard that the Tilton had a 2 hour d...   Sep 18 2012, 09:12 PM
pcar916   Double post deleted...   Sep 19 2012, 03:06 PM
brant   I finished my complete install and will be testing...   Sep 18 2012, 08:56 PM
brant   I added pictures of my finished cooler install int...   Sep 19 2012, 06:55 PM
moggy   I added pictures of my finished cooler install in...   Sep 20 2012, 04:55 AM
moggy   I added pictures of my finished cooler install in...   Sep 27 2012, 01:37 PM
brant   things went really well I did not play with differ...   Sep 27 2012, 10:52 PM
moggy   things went really well I did not play with diffe...   Sep 28 2012, 01:38 PM
pcar916   Nice build Brant. Specs on that pump from your pix...   Sep 20 2012, 07:28 AM
moggy   Hey, Ron. What was the part number of the pump you...   Sep 20 2012, 02:45 PM
pcar916   Hey, Ron. What was the part number of the pump yo...   Sep 20 2012, 03:53 PM
mrbubblehead   Hi, great thread. I am gathering the pieces now fo...   Jan 10 2013, 08:52 PM
moggy   Hi, great thread. I am gathering the pieces now f...   Jan 11 2013, 03:33 PM
mrbubblehead   Thank you for the photos. What I am really after a...   Jan 11 2013, 08:10 PM
moggy   Thank you for the photos. What I am really after ...   Jan 12 2013, 10:10 AM
brant   I agree with Moogy. limited slip differentials cre...   Jan 12 2013, 12:16 PM


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