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> Type I Oil pump for front mounted oil cooler?, Does anything else need to be done other than griding the tab?
ThePaintedMan
post Jan 24 2012, 12:20 AM
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Hello all,
I've tried searching for this question, but haven't found anything definitive. Though its still a ways off, I am hoping to add the ol' RX-7 oil cooler up front, complete with a custom fiberglass valence on this '73 1.7. In the meantime, while I've got the motor sitting here in the driveway, I wanted to switch to the heavy-duty oil pump. I have heard this is a good idea with an oil cooler mounted a ways from the pump. I'll be using the sandwich adapter and keeping the stock cooler as well. My question is mostly pertaining to the relief valve inside the motor. Do you have to replace it if you use the type I pump? Will it dramatically increase oil pressure if you don't? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

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post Jan 26 2012, 12:16 AM
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stock 1.7's or 2.0 can run too hot with extended driving at high rpm's Pushing 4000 rpm can cause the oil to get too hot specially in a hot climate, or pulling a heavy load or up hills. The cooling system is marginal , push it hard, or spin it faster and it can cause problems.

For a simple fix, try a remote cooler, in addition to the stock cooler, you can use a sandwihich adaptor at the oil filter, and then install a shorter filter to the adaptor (hoses will enter/exit the side of the sandwhich adaptor) you can then mount a remote cooler from those hoses, some sandwhich adaptors have a thermostat built in, or get a remote thermostat. You dont want to skip the thermostat, as too cold oil is not good either.
an other option is to run a remote filter also, using an adaptor on stock filter mount, that has simply an inlet and outlet for hoses, you then mount a remote filter, then a thermostat, then the cooler. The nice thing about a remote filter is you wont be limited to a small filter can. Bigger filters are better as they can flow better and than means less likelyhood of the filter going into bypass mode, and your oil not all getting filtered.

with a good remote cooler you can keep the temps down, and that is a good thing, 180F should be a nice target temp for the sump oil, although under 200F is still very nice temp.
for good cooling get the biggest cooler you can fit, mounted in cool air flow is best, but that usually means the front bumper area, you may not want to cut the car for that.
You can get some cooling however with a flat cooler mounted near the tranny under the trunk floor use an electric fan, but the air under the car is pretty warm, so you may still see some temp spikes, but you will be much better off than stock.

I have mounted a Empi 72 plate cooler under there, you might even be able to fit the 96 plate one (it is about a foot on each side, and about an inch thick, fan addes another couple inches to thickness.) If you have a Bursch type exhaust rather than a stock mufler you will have more room to mount the cooler

but the optimal place is in the cold air stream at the front of the car.

these cars tend to run even hotter than when new becuase of the oxygenated fuels now mandated. Smaller tires also up the engine rpms, and that means more heat too.
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ThePaintedMan   Type I Oil pump for front mounted oil cooler?   Jan 24 2012, 12:20 AM
yeahmag   From my personal experience I would suggest runnin...   Jan 24 2012, 12:27 AM
ThePaintedMan   Thanks Aaron! I guess I should have clarifi...   Jan 24 2012, 12:49 AM
yeahmag   Yup. A 27mm is enough to do the job, but they are ...   Jan 24 2012, 01:09 AM
ape914   if you block the filter relief valve, be sure to g...   Jan 24 2012, 08:06 AM
Mark Henry   Personally for your app I'd use the 30mm pump ...   Jan 24 2012, 08:32 AM
sean_v8_914   and use longer studs in the case   Jan 24 2012, 09:26 AM
ThePaintedMan   Yikes, This is a little more involved than I w...   Jan 25 2012, 10:00 PM
Mark Henry   Yikes, This is a little more involved than I ...   Jan 25 2012, 11:08 PM
Chris Hamilton   Your stock 1.7 is overheating without a cooler? Ha...   Jan 25 2012, 10:32 PM
ThePaintedMan   Your stock 1.7 is overheating without a cooler? H...   Jan 25 2012, 10:39 PM
Cap'n Krusty   I fail to see where you're getting the idea th...   Jan 25 2012, 11:08 PM
ThePaintedMan   I fail to see where you're getting the idea t...   Jan 25 2012, 11:31 PM
Chris Hamilton   It's only going to overheat if there is someth...   Jan 26 2012, 12:00 AM
ape914   stock 1.7's or 2.0 can run too hot with extend...   Jan 26 2012, 12:16 AM
ThePaintedMan   stock 1.7's or 2.0 can run too hot with exten...   Jan 26 2012, 12:58 AM
Racer Chris   ... 180F should be a nice target temp for the su...   Jan 26 2012, 09:26 PM
ape914   ... 180F should be a nice target temp for the s...   Jan 27 2012, 11:40 AM
Racer Chris   ... At a little past 210F the oil pressure take a...   Jan 27 2012, 12:35 PM
ape914   ... At a little past 210F the oil pressure take ...   Jan 27 2012, 03:44 PM
ThePaintedMan   Okay, back to the original question... would the r...   Jan 26 2012, 08:28 PM
yeahmag   Need, no. Want to, yes. It's easy even with th...   Jan 26 2012, 08:30 PM
ThePaintedMan   Need, no. Want to, yes. It's easy even with t...   Jan 26 2012, 08:42 PM
ThePaintedMan   Need, no. Want to, yes. It's easy even with ...   Jan 26 2012, 08:50 PM
Phil Plummer   [quote name='ThePaintedMan' post='1612539' date='...   Feb 20 2012, 06:27 PM
yeahmag   Those both solve different problems.   Jan 26 2012, 08:53 PM
yeahmag   The GB cover prevents too much pressure from enter...   Jan 26 2012, 08:58 PM
Jake Raby   I always highly recommend not mounting coolers up ...   Jan 26 2012, 09:08 PM
ThePaintedMan   Okay, just wanted to say thanks to everyone for th...   Jan 26 2012, 10:47 PM
flash914   I'm newer to air cooled engines mostly I do LA...   Jan 26 2012, 11:11 PM
Jake Raby   Equip the engine with proper instrumentation and p...   Jan 26 2012, 11:24 PM
SLITS   I was running thru the desert on the hottest day o...   Jan 27 2012, 02:18 PM
LotusJoe   I've run my 914 in 6 LeMons races. Half with t...   Jan 27 2012, 02:51 PM
Jake Raby   Remember: Cooling the oil won't cool the heads...   Jan 27 2012, 07:05 PM
ThePaintedMan   This is great stuff guys! I think this will be...   Jan 27 2012, 09:32 PM
mrbubblehead   i used dakota digital gauges. the are suppose to b...   Jan 27 2012, 09:42 PM
Mark Henry   ThePaintedMan PM'ed me on FF oiling, thinking ...   Jan 28 2012, 11:45 AM
ape914   ThePaintedMan PM'ed me on FF oiling, thinking...   Jan 28 2012, 12:56 PM
ThePaintedMan   I can wrap my head around FF oiling I think. But I...   Jan 29 2012, 10:34 AM
Racer Chris   You don't need a bigger oil pump. You don...   Jan 29 2012, 11:44 AM
Eric_Shea   Because you don't seem to want to take the a...   Jan 29 2012, 11:54 AM
ThePaintedMan   Eric, I respect your opinion, along with all o...   Jan 29 2012, 01:12 PM
yeahmag   Please do some testing. I myself am not convinced ...   Jan 29 2012, 01:47 PM
Racer Chris   What kind of tires will you be running? What's...   Jan 29 2012, 10:27 PM
Jake Raby   Greater volume is required to build higher pressur...   Jan 30 2012, 04:34 AM
ThePaintedMan   Chris, Tires are open, as long as they're ...   Jan 30 2012, 10:00 AM
Racer Chris   Chris, Tires are open, as long as they're...   Jan 30 2012, 11:46 AM
ThePaintedMan   Yeah, I'm starting to think that we'll be ...   Jan 30 2012, 11:57 AM
Racer Chris   140 rear springs would be a good thing. You might ...   Jan 30 2012, 12:44 PM
LotusJoe   140 rear springs would be a good thing. You might...   Jan 30 2012, 03:55 PM
yeahmag   I ran the Azenis with 180lb springs, 21mm torsion ...   Jan 30 2012, 04:05 PM


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