OT: Big Brother is on his way, Whats next? Options

[StratPlayer]

Had more freedom when I was a kid than I do now. What the hell is going on in this country.

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[aircooledboy]

Man, I SWORE I wasn't gonna post on this topic again. Note to self: Starting tomorrow, listen to inner voice of reason.

"The same europe, that contains France, the yellow backed pussies that can't defend there own land unless we defend it for them?"


If it were not for France, there is no dispute we would never have won the revolutionary war. But the French did not stick around after the war to make sure we installed a government to their liking, and that is where we are fucking up in Iraq.


"Bush has finally gotten much of that mess cleaned up."


Like I said earlier, life long republican here. But dood, that is a stretch. Bush policies have resulted in huge incentives for american companies to send jobs overseas. My metropolitan area here of just under 200,000 people has lost 27,000 manufacturing jobs in the last 24 months due to tax incentives created by the Bush administration. You have to have a decent resume to get a job at Mickey D's around here right now. And in case you think that was unexpected, remember a few weeks ago when the labor secretary referred to the problem of american companies moving jobs overseas as "merely a new form of export" or some such bullshit.

You have no problem with the Patriot Act because you believe it makes this country safer, and who wouldn't be in favor of that? The problem is that it gives the feds the authority to grab you up because they wanna, and they won't have to tell your family or your lawyer a damn thing about it. If you think that is a far fetched scenario, I will introduce you (someday if the feds ever let him out of detention) to a young man who was taken into custody for what the government has essentially conceeded was otherwise legal possession of legal weapons, because some 27 year old piss-ant Assistant United State's Attorney decided he was "potentially one triggering event away" from actually comiting a crime. Thats right, he hasn't yet, but the feds thought he might someday, and he's in custody for some 45+ days and counting courtesy of the Patriot act. This kid is no more a terorist than you or I.

If that was you brother or son, I think you might feel differently about the "Patriot Act". Maybe it would have prevented 9-11, maybe not. Personally, I doubt it. The cost of the government "protecting me" with that kind of power is just too high.

"Keep filling up camp X-Ray with prisoners, and use what ever method works to get info, then torture the hell out of these pigs, just becuase they are terrorists, they deserve every bit of it "

The problem is, that just ain't the way the country I grew up loving does things. Being able to say we take action because it is the right thing to do, and not because it is what we want to do or is the easiest, is what gives this country the moral authority to act in the international realm. This administration hasn't just damaged that moral authority, it has wiped its ass with it, and flushed it.

"if you think not, go watch the nick berg or dan pearle video"

If you don't see the relationship between the ass wiping mentioned above and what happened to Berg, you are not paying attention.