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> MegaSquirt Question?, Need help with setting the expanded temp limits
falconfp2001
post Apr 7 2012, 07:02 PM
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I've installed and got the engine to run and idle pretty well but I still can not find how to set the expanded temps ranges for Tuner Studio. I have them set for Megatune but Tuner studio instructions are not working.

Here is the section in the manual that discusses the Expanded Temps

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To use a MegaSquirt® controller with an air cooled engine, you will have to decide where the best place is for the coolant sensor: in the oil, or on the cylinder head (CHT). There are various arguments for and against using either CHT or oil temperature as the 'coolant' temperature input on air cooled motors. A lot depends on whether the motor is substantially oil cooled or not. Since the CTS input is used for warmup enrichment, you want something that responds fairly rapidly, so this is highly engine-dependent.

For high temperature applications (i.e. air cooled engines with a CHT), in MS-II you can set the #unset EXPANDED_CLT_TEMP by changing:

#unset EXPANDED_CLT_TEMP

to

# set EXPANDED_CLT_TEMP:

Then the upper temperature limit should be 600 degrees F. This is from the INI notes:

; FAHRENHEIT (Expanded/Normal):
; Low Limit: -40F/-40F
; High limit: 600F/300F
; Low danger: 150F/50F
; Low warning: 200F/150F
; High warning: 325F/200F
; High danger: 350F/220F

However, you have to calibrate the thermistor table(s) appropriately.

However, note that the tuning software limits the temperature range. The thinking is that if you are at an extreme it is probably a bad or missing sensor, so it goes to a default value. This isn't a big deal in TunerStudio though, you can change these limits in the ms2ReferenceTables.ini file. You can adjust these limits if EXPANDED_CLT_TEMP is set. Currently only the CLT sensor respects EXPANDED_CLT_TEMP, the IAT does not.

IAT min = -40, max=350 if outside that range it goes to 70 CLT min = -40, max=350 if outside that range it goes to 180 CLT with EXTENDED_CLT_TEMP min = -40, max=400 if outside that range it goes to 350 default

Here is the section of the ms2ReferenceTables.ini file that controls that:

; tableLimits (optional) = intentifier, min, max, defaultVal
; will set the default value if value is outside the min and max limits.
tableLimits = 001, -40, 350, 70
#if EXPANDED_CLT_TEMP
tableLimits = 000, -40, 400, 350
#else
tableLimits = 000, -40, 350, 180
#endif"

So the user can just edit the one line in ms2ReferenceTables.ini using notepad.exe or something similar to change it from:

tableLimits = 000, -40, 400, 350

to something like:

tableLimits = 000, -40, 600, 350

or similar, and it should work once the user re-burns the table.

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In Megatune, you can use the configurator to set the

#unset EXPANDED_CLT_TEMP

to

# set EXPANDED_CLT_TEMP:

But in TunerStudio you have to edit the ini file and I've done both which only shows the expanded temps in Megatune and not in TunerStudio.

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falconfp2001
post Apr 10 2012, 04:40 PM
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I finally got this figured out but unfortunately, my AFR Gauge and controller do not work properly and I'm waiting on another in the mail. The even worse news is it won't arrive till tomorrow and rain is in the forecast. unbelievable. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Well this is what you have to do.

First download the zip file i attached

extract the folder to your TunerStudio Projects folder. Then open the readme.txt in that folder.
It will explain that you must double click the download-MS2-firmware.bat file and follow the instructions.

After which you can start TunerStudio and it will detect the correct ECU Firmware for MS2 Extra. If you have TunerStudio setup to load your last project you will get errors but don't worry because that will also transfer most of your settings over to the ECU (VE tables, AFR tables etc). You will however need to create a new project to have it correctly link with the ECU and then turn on the Expanded CLT Temp setting.

I like the setup of the MS2 Extra as it gives you the option for fuel only instead of having to turn off all the ignition and pickup stuff.

Be warned, it changes a lot of the buttons and adds a lot more options for things that you may never use but it also has some nice features. This should help stop any tuning issues with temp ranges some may have been having.


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falconfp2001   MegaSquirt Question?   Apr 7 2012, 07:02 PM
underthetire   I've done it in ms. What you will find is the ...   Apr 7 2012, 07:22 PM
rwilner   Frank I'm in the same boat. I will research an...   Apr 8 2012, 08:34 AM
rwilner   This will show you how to change the gauges: http...   Apr 8 2012, 09:12 AM
falconfp2001   This will show you how to change the gauges: htt...   Apr 8 2012, 01:40 PM
underthetire   And once you get it to work, once the temp gets ab...   Apr 8 2012, 02:24 PM
rwilner   And once you get it to work, once the temp gets a...   Apr 8 2012, 02:44 PM
underthetire   Got a part number for the replacement? I was usin...   Apr 8 2012, 03:00 PM
rwilner   Got a part number for the replacement? I was usi...   Apr 8 2012, 03:03 PM
falconfp2001   Got a part number for the replacement? I was us...   Apr 8 2012, 03:06 PM
underthetire   I had a hard time finding a thermistor that would ...   Apr 8 2012, 03:34 PM
falconfp2001   I had a hard time finding a thermistor that would...   Apr 8 2012, 04:07 PM
rwilner   Not once the bias resistance is added in but I a...   Apr 8 2012, 04:33 PM
falconfp2001   Not once the bias resistance is added in but I ...   Apr 8 2012, 04:40 PM
rwilner   [quote name='rwilner' post='1662968' date='Apr 8 ...   Apr 8 2012, 05:06 PM
rwilner   If your already at 5k ohm at 180, once you double...   Apr 8 2012, 04:25 PM
falconfp2001   anyone use the Stock CHT? I'd like to know the...   Apr 8 2012, 11:06 PM
falconfp2001   I finally got this figured out but unfortunately, ...   Apr 10 2012, 04:40 PM


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