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Cracker
post May 1 2012, 07:03 AM
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Rear Sway Bar
Need the pros & cons, options and what YOU have actually used. Basically, I have found that there is only the small factory assembly and the Weltmiester system available. I spoke with Ira at Tarret Eng. yesterday but the few prototypes he built years ago are all gone.

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I'm running 315/35/17 rears, a LSD and 300 lbs rear springs. I still have way too much rear body roll than I want. I've tightened up the front sway bar and removed rear camber and that has helped but feel I need a rear bar help beyond that with the body roll out back.

Your thoughts & options?
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post May 15 2012, 08:58 PM
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QUOTE(Cracker @ May 1 2012, 06:03 AM) *

Rear Sway Bar
Need the pros & cons, options and what YOU have actually used. Basically, I have found that there is only the small factory assembly and the Weltmiester system available. I spoke with Ira at Tarret Eng. yesterday but the few prototypes he built years ago are all gone.

Goal
I'm running 315/35/17 rears, a LSD and 300 lbs rear springs. I still have way too much rear body roll than I want. I've tightened up the front sway bar and removed rear camber and that has helped but feel I need a rear bar help beyond that with the body roll out back.

Your thoughts & options?


Hey Cracker:

UPDATE INFO: On 05 May, I ran a track day at Willow Springs (the Big track)
and found I kept adjusting the rear swaybar SOFTER & SOFTER until it was the Best at only 28 lb/in Wheel Rate. This is a BIG reduction from the previous 96 lbs/in.

Last Thursday & Friday I was at Infineon Raceway and found that the Willow setup with 1 step SOFTER front bar gave me my best results ever.

The lesson here is to get most of your wheel-rate from the rear springs and just use a SMALL amount of rear bar for fine tuning. With all the weight in the center of the car (Low Polar Moment of Enertia) the car needs only a small amount of Roll-Stiftness to work. As I learned, a big rear bar means nothing but rear instability!!

With the softer rear bar, I picked up more understeer, but softening the front bar made it BETTER! Roll is NOT a bad thing as the goal is BALANCE!

I'm running a Chevy V8 so my rear springs are at 400#, if you have a 911 motor, of course your springs will be softer. Regardless, dialing in mostly with spring rate and then fine tuning with a "light" rear swaybar is the path to success.

Best of luck

Terry
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Cracker   Need your thoughts - rear bar   May 1 2012, 07:03 AM
RobW   Rear body roll doesn't come from a rear sway b...   May 1 2012, 07:18 AM
brant   I run a rear bar... but your talking about needin...   May 1 2012, 08:32 AM
DanT   Have never run a rear bar on any of my personal 91...   May 1 2012, 08:47 AM
Randal   Have never run a rear bar on any of my personal 9...   May 25 2012, 10:46 AM
SirAndy   [quote name='DanT' post='1674572' date='May 1 2012...   May 25 2012, 02:55 PM
Randal   [quote name='DanT' post='1674572' date='May 1 201...   May 26 2012, 09:03 AM
stewteral   Rear Sway Bar Need the pros & cons, options a...   May 3 2012, 12:41 AM
Racer Chris   Rear Sway Bar Need the pros & cons, options a...   May 15 2012, 07:03 AM
Cracker   Thanks to Bob/Naroescape - I now have his old Welt...   May 15 2012, 03:59 PM
stewteral   Rear Sway Bar Need the pros & cons, options a...   May 15 2012, 08:58 PM
Trekkor   31mm front bar, stock torsion bars. Stock rear bar...   May 16 2012, 12:19 AM
grantsfo   31mm front bar, stock torsion bars. Stock rear ba...   May 24 2012, 12:41 PM
campbellcj   I have used a rear bar almost continuously for man...   May 18 2012, 12:08 AM
yeahmag   Big Track, Short Track, or Autocross?   May 23 2012, 11:39 PM
Cracker   Big Track, Short Track, or Autocross? No autoc...   May 24 2012, 04:11 AM
RobW   I had really good results with 21MM front torsion ...   May 24 2012, 10:28 PM
OU8AVW   Are you guys corner balancing?   May 25 2012, 06:41 AM
Cracker   -2 (on Andy's lead/logic) :D I'm still ...   May 26 2012, 07:12 AM
campbellcj   Cambellcj - Which bolts sheared on your Welt kit...   May 26 2012, 09:38 AM
John Jentz   I think the biggest negative to running a rear bar...   May 26 2012, 07:29 AM
Cracker   I think the biggest negative to running a rear ba...   May 26 2012, 07:49 AM
Racer Chris   Thats exactly why I modified mine like this:   May 26 2012, 10:50 AM
Randal   Thats exactly why I modified mine like this: ...   May 26 2012, 11:16 AM
Trekkor   Using the stock bar, mounted upside down, I have n...   May 26 2012, 10:50 PM
Trekkor   KT   May 26 2012, 10:56 PM


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