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flipb
post May 26 2012, 04:28 PM
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I replaced a chandelier in my house today and it didn't go quite as smoothly as planned. Help me figure out how badly I screwed things up.

Our house was built in 1959, but the wiring to this fixture appeared newer. There was a chandelier on a dimmer switch in our dining room, and I bought a new one to replace it. The new one weighs less than the old one, so I wasn't worried about the fixture box holding it - and the mechanical side of the install went fine.

I was expecting it to be simple enough... to find Hot, Neutral, and Ground inside the fixture box. Discovering that it was more complicated, I tried to wire the new one the same way I found the old one wired.

Inside the box were FOUR sets of hot & neutral. The way I found it wired to the old chandelier (and the way it's now wired to the new chandelier) is as follows:
  1. 3 Black wires and one White wire were connected with a wire nut.
  2. A Black, a white, and a lead to the chandlier are connected in a wire nut
  3. A white, another white, and the other lead to the chandelier are connected via a third wire nut

I've also tied the grounds together, and I'm fairly sure that's done properly.

Once I had it wired, the first time I tried to turn on the light, it blew the circuit breaker. I decided that I must've accidentally reversed the white wires from B and C, above, so I switched them and tried again.

Now the fixture works, but the dimmer doesn't dim... as soon as it comes on, the bulbs are at full brightness. The other strange thing is that until I installed a light bulb in the chandelier, nothing else on that circuit was getting power. I can tell because the Oven is on the same circuit and the display was blank until I put the first bulb into the chandelier.

Did I blow the dimmer switch when I had it miswired? Or do I have it miswired now, preventing the dimmer from working? And why are there four sets of wires coming through this box?

Need help from any electrical geniuses to determine whether I can repair this myself or if it's time to call an electrician.

Thanks.

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post May 26 2012, 08:16 PM
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Ill try and keep this simple, your power is coming from the panel to the light fixture box, (the hot wire in the box). You have a black,white, and maybe ground going to the dimmer switch, you need to identify these wires in the ceiling box. All other wires in the ceiling box feed other lights,switches or whatever.

Once you've identified all wires This is how it should be wired: The black power wire, the white wire to the dimmer (thats right the white wire) and the other black wire going to feed other stuff should be connected together, This connects the power to the other loads and puts power to the dimmer.

then the white wire from the hot circuit, the white wires from the wires feeding the other stuff, and the white wire going to the light fixture should be connected together, this connects the neutral side of the circuit.

then the black wire from the dimmer and the black wire from the light fixtureshould be connected together, this brings the power to the light from the dimmer when it it activated.

then all grounds should be connected.

All should work properly once connected in this manner, the only problem you may have is if they originally switched the neutral and not the hot wire through the dimmer, if the dimmer is not working properly, switch the location of the black and white wires on the dimmer then it will be correct. If it still doesn't work, replace the dimmer switch.

This isn't my opinion, I'm a general contractor and do this for a living, this will work.
If you still have problems call me (916) 834-6574, don't hire an electritian, you can do this. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)

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flipb   OT: Residential electrical help   May 26 2012, 04:28 PM
vsg914   Did you follow the installation wiring diagram? Fi...   May 26 2012, 04:50 PM
ww914   The simplest way to figure what you have is to iso...   May 26 2012, 05:01 PM
jmill   White = neutral, black = power (120V), green = gro...   May 26 2012, 05:06 PM
flipb   Appreciate the help so far. Discovered that somet...   May 26 2012, 05:43 PM
windforfun   Can your chandelier be controlled by more than one...   May 26 2012, 05:58 PM
toolguy   That's what happens when a semi-electrical doe...   May 26 2012, 05:59 PM
kg6dxn   Inside the box were FOUR sets of hot & neutr...   May 26 2012, 06:07 PM
windforfun   Inside the box were FOUR sets of hot & neut...   May 26 2012, 06:12 PM
flipb   Inside the box were FOUR sets of hot & neut...   May 26 2012, 06:27 PM
flipb   D'oh. Tied all the blacks together in a wire n...   May 26 2012, 06:49 PM
kg6dxn   D'oh. Tied all the blacks together in a wire ...   May 26 2012, 06:55 PM
ww914   Someone mentioned before that if a three-way switc...   May 26 2012, 06:55 PM
flipb   Someone mentioned before that if a three-way swit...   May 26 2012, 06:57 PM
flipb   To recap: There are four black wires coming into ...   May 26 2012, 07:15 PM
windforfun   To recap: There are four black wires coming into...   May 26 2012, 07:49 PM
ww914   This is tough, at least for me, doing this without...   May 26 2012, 07:21 PM
kg6dxn   Makes sense to me. Connect the black wire marked w...   May 26 2012, 07:33 PM
flipb   Wow, I suck at this but I appreciate the help...   May 26 2012, 07:51 PM
flipb   Wow, I suck at this but I appreciate the help...   May 26 2012, 07:59 PM
windforfun   Wow, I suck at this but I appreciate the help...   May 26 2012, 08:03 PM
ww914   "Good luck & don't worry, 120 V won...   May 26 2012, 08:00 PM
windforfun   "Good luck & don't worry, 120 V won...   May 26 2012, 08:05 PM
jsconst   Ill try and keep this simple, your power is coming...   May 26 2012, 08:16 PM
windforfun   Ill try and keep this simple, your power is comin...   May 26 2012, 08:30 PM
stugray   I didnt read all of the posts and try to put every...   May 26 2012, 08:30 PM
flipb   And this is why 914world is the best: Thank yo...   May 26 2012, 08:35 PM
ww914   Way to go. I knew you could do it!!!...   May 26 2012, 08:43 PM
windforfun   :beer2: :beer2: :beer2:   May 26 2012, 08:45 PM
jsconst   Nice :beer2: :first: Knew you could do it! ...   May 26 2012, 09:10 PM
Cairo94507   I just love this club. I love that we all try our...   May 26 2012, 09:11 PM
kg6dxn   :Qarl:   May 26 2012, 09:14 PM
windforfun   :Qarl: Do you prefer to work with ohms or mhos?   May 26 2012, 09:18 PM


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