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> With contest for free pad and shipping see post #24, 4 left -Engine firewall pad - $75 each will be $125 after the GB
Mikey914
post Jun 2 2012, 02:09 AM
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I'm doing up the tooling to do these in quantity. It will be done end of this next week. I did a test fit part and it looks pretty good, I'll be fitting in my car tomorrow.

Construction is from a closed cell fire retardant rubber that has some sound proof rating. It will not absorb water or oil. An excellent replacement for the OEM wool pad that promotes rust by holding the water against the firewall.

More pictures tomorrow.

This picture shows the cut pad next to the OEM. The ones in production will have the same holes as the OEM for grounds.


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ape914
post Jun 4 2012, 11:48 AM
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of course these are the cause of lower firewall rust thru in many a 914. Debries get caught behind the pad, making the situation even worse, water enters during rain or washing and runs down to the bottom of the pad. and the lower firewall can then rust. I have had some cars with the pad, most all had rust (some near terminal) from the pad/debries holding water. the early cars lacked this pad and none of my early cars had any rust there.

Yes these can make the car less noisey, or restore an ugly old pad, but the cost is you must be vigalent with making sure no water ever gets behind them.

Perhaps one can shorten the pad's hieght, so there is an inch or so gap at the bottom to help allow water to run out.

Also upon install ,make sure all the top clips hold the top edge firmly and securly to the firewall, this will help prevenmt rain/wash ater from entering.

the pad can be a good thing, but be ware of the faults of these pads, keep the backside dry and you will be ok.
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post Jun 5 2012, 07:55 AM
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If you read the descrition, these are made form a closed cell rubber that DOES NOT absorb water. The water absorbtion was the biggest issue with the O.E. pads. They got wet and had no way to quickly dry out.

Thanks for another great product Mark (IMG:style_emoticons/default/first.gif)

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of course these are the cause of lower firewall rust thru in many a 914. Debries get caught behind the pad, making the situation even worse, water enters during rain or washing and runs down to the bottom of the pad. and the lower firewall can then rust. I have had some cars with the pad, most all had rust (some near terminal) from the pad/debries holding water. the early cars lacked this pad and none of my early cars had any rust there.

Yes these can make the car less noisey, or restore an ugly old pad, but the cost is you must be vigalent with making sure no water ever gets behind them.

Perhaps one can shorten the pad's hieght, so there is an inch or so gap at the bottom to help allow water to run out.

Also upon install ,make sure all the top clips hold the top edge firmly and securly to the firewall, this will help prevenmt rain/wash ater from entering.

the pad can be a good thing, but be ware of the faults of these pads, keep the backside dry and you will be ok.
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Scotty: Never did I mention anything about water absorption in the pad. The concern I point out is the problem of water and or water holding debries behind the pad. It is very difficult for it to dry out when water and debries are trapped between the pad and the firewall. Any non -breathing pad will have this problem unless they can be sealed on top to prevent water engress, and/or opened to drain / be cleaned at bottom. A closed cell rubber is not a breathable material unless you perferate it.
Take care to keep it dry behind the pad.


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If you read the descrition, these are made form a closed cell rubber that DOES NOT absorb water. The water absorbtion was the biggest issue with the O.E. pads. They got wet and had no way to quickly dry out.

Thanks for another great product Mark (IMG:style_emoticons/default/first.gif)

QUOTE(ape914 @ Jun 4 2012, 09:48 AM) *

of course these are the cause of lower firewall rust thru in many a 914. Debries get caught behind the pad, making the situation even worse, water enters during rain or washing and runs down to the bottom of the pad. and the lower firewall can then rust. I have had some cars with the pad, most all had rust (some near terminal) from the pad/debries holding water. the early cars lacked this pad and none of my early cars had any rust there.

Yes these can make the car less noisey, or restore an ugly old pad, but the cost is you must be vigalent with making sure no water ever gets behind them.

Perhaps one can shorten the pad's hieght, so there is an inch or so gap at the bottom to help allow water to run out.

Also upon install ,make sure all the top clips hold the top edge firmly and securly to the firewall, this will help prevenmt rain/wash ater from entering.

the pad can be a good thing, but be ware of the faults of these pads, keep the backside dry and you will be ok.


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I read this and do agree to some extent.

The main problem with the OEM pad is that it traps and holds water against the firewall. It has great sound absorption qualities, but is more potential problem than it's worth. That's why I did the dynomat. I was concerned about the water now potentially being trapped at the upper section and allowing rust to propigate.

True, there is a potential for the pad to trap water behind it...... if you glue it in.

That's why I used the velco to hold it in place. The foam is fairly soft so to make it more durable I used some speed tape. A very simular application to an aircraft installation. The velcro allows some space behind the pad to allow it to breathe.
I can provide 2' of 2" wide velcro (what I used) alond with enough tape to tape yours up like I did, for about $16 as an option.

In a perfect world this pad will keep out water. This would require a perfect seal all the way around the edges. I think this option if the best of both worlds.


The production on these will start late this next week
QUOTE(ape914 @ Jun 7 2012, 09:23 PM) *

Scotty: Never did I mention anything about water absorption in the pad. The concern I point out is the problem of water and or water holding debries behind the pad. It is very difficult for it to dry out when water and debries are trapped between the pad and the firewall. Any non -breathing pad will have this problem unless they can be sealed on top to prevent water engress, and/or opened to drain / be cleaned at bottom. A closed cell rubber is not a breathable material unless you perferate it.
Take care to keep it dry behind the pad.


QUOTE(scotty b @ Jun 5 2012, 06:55 AM) *

If you read the descrition, these are made form a closed cell rubber that DOES NOT absorb water. The water absorbtion was the biggest issue with the O.E. pads. They got wet and had no way to quickly dry out.

Thanks for another great product Mark (IMG:style_emoticons/default/first.gif)

QUOTE(ape914 @ Jun 4 2012, 09:48 AM) *

of course these are the cause of lower firewall rust thru in many a 914. Debries get caught behind the pad, making the situation even worse, water enters during rain or washing and runs down to the bottom of the pad. and the lower firewall can then rust. I have had some cars with the pad, most all had rust (some near terminal) from the pad/debries holding water. the early cars lacked this pad and none of my early cars had any rust there.

Yes these can make the car less noisey, or restore an ugly old pad, but the cost is you must be vigalent with making sure no water ever gets behind them.

Perhaps one can shorten the pad's hieght, so there is an inch or so gap at the bottom to help allow water to run out.

Also upon install ,make sure all the top clips hold the top edge firmly and securly to the firewall, this will help prevenmt rain/wash ater from entering.

the pad can be a good thing, but be ware of the faults of these pads, keep the backside dry and you will be ok.



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Mikey914   With contest for free pad and shipping see post #24   Jun 2 2012, 02:09 AM
billh1963   Cool! I assume a group buy will be coming soon...   Jun 2 2012, 05:06 AM
Mikey914   You got it, I'll change the title of the threa...   Jun 4 2012, 10:58 AM
914Bryan   I am interested!   Jun 4 2012, 11:29 AM
ape914   of course these are the cause of lower firewall ru...   Jun 4 2012, 11:48 AM
scotty b   If you read the descrition, these are made form a ...   Jun 5 2012, 07:55 AM
ape914   Scotty: Never did I mention anything about water a...   Jun 7 2012, 10:23 PM
Mikey914   I read this and do agree to some extent. The mai...   Jun 7 2012, 11:06 PM
Niklas   I want two sets. Niklas   Jun 4 2012, 12:23 PM
gothspeed   Cool :)!!!! .......... I am intere...   Jun 4 2012, 01:23 PM
Mikey914   Cool :)!!!! .......... I am inter...   Jun 7 2012, 12:51 AM
saigon71   Count me in for one. Thanks Mark!   Jun 5 2012, 06:26 AM
scrz914   What does this mean? Ground connections, where a...   Jun 5 2012, 10:08 PM
Mikey914   What does this mean? Ground connections, where ...   Jun 6 2012, 03:45 PM
Mikey914   The engine compartment before. I have Dynomat allr...   Jun 7 2012, 12:55 AM
Mikey914   The engine compartment before. I have Dynomat allr...   Jun 7 2012, 12:55 AM
Mikey914   Installed - The sequence was pretty simplefit the ...   Jun 7 2012, 01:04 AM
Mikey914   A few more installed   Jun 7 2012, 01:05 AM
billh1963   I'm in for one   Jun 7 2012, 04:56 AM
plas76targa   i'd like one as well! count me in!   Jun 7 2012, 06:55 AM
jimsfolly   I'm in for one also, thanks Mark!   Jun 7 2012, 10:39 PM
Daiberl   In for one   Jun 7 2012, 11:25 PM
veltror   Mark, one fir me, I will get you to ship a whole p...   Jun 8 2012, 05:20 AM
Mikey914   Got a thought - yeah with me that's dangerous....   Jun 8 2012, 01:01 PM
Andyrew   Nice idea!   Jun 8 2012, 02:46 PM
nickp997   Im in for one. Just let me know Mark. Thanks, Ni...   Jun 9 2012, 05:32 AM
Mikey914   PMs sent I'll keep this GB open for another 10...   Jun 13 2012, 02:00 AM
leebenedi   Hello Mark, can you tell me what shipping to Spain...   Jun 13 2012, 07:29 AM
Mikey914   Hello Mark, can you tell me what shipping to Spai...   Jun 14 2012, 01:43 PM
RobW   Another awesome product. In about 20 years, instea...   Jun 13 2012, 07:52 AM
Mikey914   Here's one my son did on his "new" t...   Jun 23 2012, 04:05 PM
Mikey914   one more   Jun 23 2012, 04:06 PM
Philip W.   mark , are you still taking orders for these on th...   Jun 28 2012, 02:06 PM
Mikey914   Yes figured I'd run this till the 15th then op...   Jun 28 2012, 05:27 PM
Harpo   I just sent in my paypal for my new engine pad Th...   Jun 28 2012, 06:50 PM
Mikey914   4 left at this price.   Jul 9 2012, 09:03 AM


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