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> What's the story with the Nissan Delta Wing at Le Mans?, Strange looking machine
DNHunt
post Jun 16 2012, 08:22 AM
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What could be the advantages and disadvantages? Maybe weight and aero advantages. What would be the front suspension issues?

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post Jun 18 2012, 11:23 AM
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I am a fan of the engineering and hard work that went into the concept and in no way was I wishing them any bad luck, but I am absolutely against this being used as an example of how we should be building prototype (or other) race cars in the future.

I think that the broad goal was to be able to use smaller and more fuel efficient engines in the top levels of racing without reducing the size of the spectacle (i.e. speed). If you follow racing at all, there is much talk about "relevancy to production cars" and "green technology" such as hybrids, energy reuse, different fuels, etc. which are all important to auto manufacturers. So the concept with the Deltawing was 1/2 the power, 1/2 the weight, 1/2 the drag but all of the fun. The reduction to three wheels was the big factor on reduction of size (weight and drag). The lower drag allowed a lesser amount of power to generate lap times in the range of heavier and more powerful traditional designs.

But while I think they achieved their goals, I don't think this car is the only or best solution to that problem. Assuming that the problem even exists. The FIA/ACO just released new rules for 2014 and the includes a smaller footprint (including narrower maximum width which decreases frontal area and overall drag) plus I think a lower weight. Additionally they are working on a fuel restriction system with displacement, turbo, etc. being relatively open. In many ways, much like the Group C days of the 1980's. So the 2014 cars will be lighter, smaller and more efficient. Pretty much the same goals of Deltawing, but also being more relevant to road going cars plus keeping tradition alive.

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post Jun 18 2012, 11:38 AM
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QUOTE(Richard Casto @ Jun 18 2012, 10:23 AM) *

The reduction to three wheels was the big factor on reduction of size (weight and drag).

One more time ..... it was a 4 wheeled car. Low drag, low weight, and small & efficient engine are all relevant for future "green" considerations.
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QUOTE(dlkawashima @ Jun 18 2012, 01:38 PM) *

QUOTE(Richard Casto @ Jun 18 2012, 10:23 AM) *

The reduction to three wheels was the big factor on reduction of size (weight and drag).

One more time ..... it was a 4 wheeled car. Low drag, low weight, and small & efficient engine are all relevant for future "green" considerations.


Wasn't that an old aircooled VW Beetle?
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DNHunt   What's the story with the Nissan Delta Wing at Le Mans?   Jun 16 2012, 08:22 AM
casey944   What could be the advantages and disadvantages? M...   Jun 16 2012, 08:27 AM
bcheney   What could be the advantages and disadvantages? M...   Jun 16 2012, 08:28 AM
ConeDodger   Seems to me, turn-in would be incredibly quick in ...   Jun 16 2012, 08:35 AM
DBCooper   There aren't any particularly "tight area...   Jun 16 2012, 08:41 AM
Dave_Darling   There aren't any particularly "tight are...   Jun 16 2012, 06:40 PM
Cap'n Krusty   There aren't any particularly "tight are...   Jun 17 2012, 09:30 AM
Elliot Cannon   There aren't any particularly "tight ar...   Jun 17 2012, 11:15 AM
Cap'n Krusty   [quote name='Cap'n Krusty' post='1694763' dat...   Jun 18 2012, 01:40 PM
struckn   The low frontal area reduces drag, true..............   Jun 18 2012, 03:07 PM
Richard Casto   The low frontal area reduces drag, true.............   Jun 18 2012, 03:31 PM
DBCooper   [quote name='DBCooper' post='1694265' date='Jun 1...   Jun 17 2012, 01:50 PM
Richard Casto   [quote name='Cap'n Krusty' post='1694763' dat...   Jun 18 2012, 11:26 AM
ConeDodger   There aren't any particularly "tight are...   Jun 17 2012, 11:41 AM
rhodyguy   it looks fast sitting in the garage. :D k   Jun 16 2012, 08:44 AM
underthetire   Seems to me a turbine and some elevons and your re...   Jun 16 2012, 11:14 AM
ClayPerrine   Personally, I think it is UGLY with a capital UGH...   Jun 16 2012, 05:29 PM
biosurfer1   Take a look at the new Motor Trend, Automobile or ...   Jun 16 2012, 06:31 PM
jmill   I can see how turn in would be quicker but it seem...   Jun 16 2012, 06:42 PM
kg6dxn   I can see how turn in would be quicker but it see...   Jun 17 2012, 08:48 AM
Nicky   It's interesting that the prototypes are requi...   Jun 16 2012, 06:46 PM
struckn   Stealthy, can't be seen..........whoops sorry....   Jun 16 2012, 07:54 PM
SLITS   Stealthy, can't be seen..........whoops sorry...   Jun 17 2012, 08:20 AM
mikelsr   Stealthy, can't be seen..........whoops sorr...   Jun 17 2012, 08:24 AM
Joe Sharp   Paint adds too much weight.   Jun 16 2012, 08:15 PM
GeorgeRud   The concept may be there this year to test theorie...   Jun 16 2012, 09:31 PM
struckn   According to what I heard them say during the broa...   Jun 17 2012, 08:07 AM
ThePaintedMan   They had one hell of a run at LM. The car did ever...   Jun 17 2012, 09:53 AM
JmuRiz   I liked the idea, shame it got taken out :( Had so...   Jun 17 2012, 10:30 AM
cwpeden   My only question is: Where does the driver keep h...   Jun 17 2012, 01:00 PM
ThePaintedMan   My only question is: Where does the driver keep ...   Jun 17 2012, 01:32 PM
Richard Casto   I am a fan of the engineering and hard work that w...   Jun 18 2012, 11:23 AM
dlkawashima   The reduction to three wheels was the big factor ...   Jun 18 2012, 11:38 AM
Katmanken   The reduction to three wheels was the big factor...   Jun 18 2012, 11:45 AM
ThePaintedMan   I am a fan of the engineering and hard work that ...   Jun 18 2012, 11:43 AM
Richard Casto   The reduction to three wheels was the big factor...   Jun 18 2012, 01:17 PM
ThePaintedMan   Richard, Okay, now I think I understand where ...   Jun 18 2012, 01:57 PM
dlkawashima   And where did I say that low drag, low weight and...   Jun 18 2012, 02:01 PM
Richard Casto   And where did I say that low drag, low weight an...   Jun 18 2012, 03:14 PM
Katmanken   Actually, a lot of aircraft have had the tri-wheel...   Jun 18 2012, 01:34 PM
SLITS   If I read or hear "green" one more time ...   Jun 18 2012, 02:52 PM
Mark Henry   I think it's cool that it's a GREEN car, b...   Jun 18 2012, 03:20 PM
Spoke   The first I saw the delta wing design was when IND...   Jun 18 2012, 03:44 PM


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