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| Dave_Darling |
Jun 28 2012, 12:15 AM
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Since I'll be driving the 914 through a desert in July, I figure having an external oil cooler might be a good idea. I bought a cooler, thermostat, sandwich plate, and some fittings from Earl's quite a few years back. I don't have any lines, a way to mount the cooler, or a fan.
I wonder if I'll get the install done before the trip? If I do, it'll be close. I have a lot of other obligations which will keep me out of the garage for most days and evenings... I intend to get the cooler mounted under the rear trunk floor, locate and fasten in the thermostat, add the sandwich plate, then hook it all together with rubber lines. Then I can remove the lines and measure them, so I can get better lines in the correct lengths. The rubber lines (fuel rated, so hopefully OK with oil) may actually be used as a short-term solution, but I don't expect them to last very long. I also have to figure out where to get the oil lines and a fan. Hopefully locally, so I don't have to pay for express shipping... --DD |
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| bdstone914 |
Jun 28 2012, 09:44 PM
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bdstone914 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,295 Joined: 8-November 03 From: Riverside CA Member No.: 1,319 |
Chris is 100% right about not using fuel line. I worked for an oil cooler company for 27 years and had to deal with hose claims where "mechanics" substituted fuel line for oil cooler hose. On transmission coolers it lasted a few days or a few weeks at best.
You need a minimum inside diameter of 1/2. Try a big rig truck supply house. They carry what is called a fleet hose for general purpose on big trucks. I suggest an internal wire braid hose. The SS outer cover only adds heat to the rubber underneath it. You need a medium duty hydraulic hose rated for 250 F minimum. Fuel hose is cooled internally by the fuel and typically rated for no more than 70 psi and about 200F. Also mounting an oil cooler under the vehicle is one of the least effective location. You have the hot air from the engine, exhaust and road heat. I mounted mine to the engine lid with the rain tray removed and never broke 210 F under heavy sustained load. The amount of cooling you get is directly proportional to the differential temperature of the oil and air. Thus if you have 200 degree oil and 100 degree air you have twice the cooling of 200 degree oil and 150 air. The other factor to consider is the air volume through a cooler. A typical fan provides the equivalent of 15mph air speed. Next consider ho much to the cooler you are covering with a fan with a 4 inch dead spot in the center. Highly recommend an oil temp and pressure gauge. I next want to mount a cooler directly in front of the fan. It simplifies hose routing. While it does add some heat to the cooling air to the heads the rise in temp is small and has little effect on the differential temp between the air and heads. Bruce |
Dave_Darling Will it be done before Parade? Jun 28 2012, 12:15 AM
type47 Which Earls adapter did you get? I'm working o... Jun 28 2012, 04:01 AM
ape914
Which Earls adapter did you get? I'm working ... Jul 4 2012, 11:09 AM
Racer Chris
The rubber lines (fuel rated, so hopefully OK wit... Jun 28 2012, 06:35 AM
ThePaintedMan All I know is cars that leak oil are usually the o... Jun 28 2012, 06:56 AM
Bartlett 914 I installed a cooler in my car recently. It still ... Jun 28 2012, 08:42 AM
Dave_Darling Ah, but these hoses were not supplied with the coo... Jun 28 2012, 09:20 AM
Randal
Ah, but these hoses were not supplied with the co... Jun 30 2012, 04:46 PM
McMark SummitRacing.com ships REALLY fast with just groun... Jun 28 2012, 09:29 AM
monkeyboy
SummitRacing.com ships REALLY fast with just grou... Jun 28 2012, 09:34 AM
r_towle you wont get it done...bring it to Mark :) Jun 28 2012, 09:46 AM
SirAndy
you wont get it done...bring it to Mark :)
:agr... Jun 28 2012, 11:18 AM
Dave_Darling The transportation up to Sonoma and back is a bit ... Jun 28 2012, 05:03 PM
r_towle
The transportation up to Sonoma and back is a bit... Jun 28 2012, 07:56 PM
Black22 I installed a Bugpack Mesa 72 plate oil cooler w/ ... Jun 28 2012, 05:38 PM
wndsrfr Dave--I'm reminded of a small instruction shee... Jun 28 2012, 08:14 PM
SirAndy "NOTE: Assembly of bicycle require great peac... Jun 28 2012, 10:10 PM
GeorgeRud I imagine that the desert would be quite hot to tr... Jun 28 2012, 09:39 PM
Dave_Darling My car's oil has gotten hot enough climbing th... Jun 29 2012, 12:56 AM
ClayPerrine Dave,
Just do it... quit kvetching about it. I h... Jun 29 2012, 11:15 AM
Dave_Darling You've seen it before, at the last DFW Parade... Jun 29 2012, 03:08 PM
smj Urm. I need to get an oil temp gauge hooked up in ... Jun 29 2012, 04:08 PM
76-914 Hey Dave, :ttiwwp: Jun 30 2012, 10:09 AM
McMark Steve, one thing to consider is that a lower HP mo... Jun 30 2012, 10:25 AM
smj
Steve, one thing to consider is that a lower HP m... Jul 1 2012, 01:50 AM
RobW Good luck Dave. I don't want to see the CRX au... Jun 30 2012, 03:11 PM
Dave_Darling I went over to the Royal Brass (that's their w... Jul 1 2012, 12:09 AM
Randal
I went over to the Royal Brass (that's their ... Jul 1 2012, 07:37 AM
Dave_Darling Got the cooler and t-stat mounted tonight. I... Jul 2 2012, 01:18 AM
Dave_Darling Crap! I need different lines than I bought. ... Jul 2 2012, 10:35 PM
wndsrfr
Crap! I need different lines than I bought. ... Jul 3 2012, 03:10 PM
McMark Sounds like pretty much every oil cooler installat... Jul 2 2012, 11:53 PM
Dave_Darling I got a bunch more stuff at noon. Tonight, it... Jul 3 2012, 03:16 PM
ape914 one thing on my car, i deleted the oil thermostat ... Jul 4 2012, 11:16 AM
Dave_Darling Ugh. This thermostat is gonna kill me yet! S... Jul 4 2012, 11:46 PM
Bartlett 914
Ugh. This thermostat is gonna kill me yet! ... Jul 5 2012, 10:02 AM
Dave_Darling So, the definitive answer to the question I posed ... Jul 6 2012, 10:31 PM
r_towle I am impressed...
Are the fan and thermostat moun... Jul 7 2012, 06:24 AM
Dave_Darling They are mounted together, but not well. (More zi... Jul 7 2012, 10:27 PM
JamesM Dave, If you, or anyone else comming out to parad... Jul 8 2012, 07:21 AM
r_towle
They are mounted together, but not well. (More z... Jul 8 2012, 02:38 PM
Dave_Darling It never even got to 250, which is an improvement ... Jul 8 2012, 05:21 PM
ConeDodger Are you all checked in Dave? Kick some 'Tech Q... Jul 8 2012, 05:32 PM
Dave_Darling I'm hoping to do just that! My record so ... Jul 8 2012, 11:22 PM
JamesM Dave, Just got your message about the tranny didn... Jul 9 2012, 12:29 AM
Dave_Darling I didn't make the autoX. In fact, the wife an... Jul 15 2012, 07:10 PM
Randal
I didn't make the autoX. In fact, the wife a... Jul 15 2012, 07:22 PM![]() ![]() |
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