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| NJ914Guy |
Jul 25 2012, 08:22 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 150 Joined: 30-December 10 From: Deptford, NJ Member No.: 12,546 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
My car is a 1973 914 2.0 running dual Weber 40 carbs, an Aircooled.net SVDA vac advance distributor (vac port connected to dual carbs) and a Pertronix electronic ignition module.
Here in NJ, on a 80-90 degree day, the car runs great on the back roads ranging from 30-45 MPH. Using the dip stick temp gauge, she runs around 180-195 for oil temp. If I take her up ont the highway and run the car at 65-80 MPH for 10-20 minutes, the temp will run up to 220-240, based on the outside air temps, which seems too hot. I assume that since I am fine on the back roads, my flaps and fan are clear and working fine? I do have 100% of the factory tins in place, and from 180-240 degrees, the car runs strong at all temps. I am thinking that I have a problem and would like to rule out some things. Here's my list of things to try. Please feel free to comment or make additional suggestions. 1. Change oil. I am running 10W-30 now. Have some fresh Brad Penn 20W-50 on hand. Could an oil change help? 2. Drop the oil screen and check for any sludge or blockage which may be impacting oil flow. 3. Check timing on the SVDA dizzy. I am wondering if it's advancing a little too much on the highway? Per John's instruction, when we installed the dizzy we set timing to: 38-45 Total Advance (hose connected) @ 3500 RPM. 4. Pull spark plugs and check for lean conditions. 5. Check carbs and idle jets. Not sure what's in there, but I hear that I want idle jets of 50. |
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| ChrisFoley |
Jul 26 2012, 01:30 PM
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I am Tangerine Racing ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 8,017 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None
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And I talk with my dad a lot. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
He's a PhD aerospace engineer and has more than 60 years experience flying small planes with aircooled engines. He tends to maintain a larger safety margin than I do. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
| ape914 |
Jul 27 2012, 01:56 PM
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red locktite ![]() ![]() Group: Retired Members Posts: 240 Joined: 7-February 11 From: In front of a computer Member No.: 12,676 Region Association: None |
And I talk with my dad a lot. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) He's a PhD aerospace engineer and has more than 60 years experience flying small planes with aircooled engines. He tends to maintain a larger safety margin than I do. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I talked to my Dad last night. Aerospace engineeer, not a pilot, but he works on stuff that goes a lot higher (past edge of solar system) He has had plenty of experience as a test enginner for all sorts of fixxed wing and rotor craft. He does car stuff to on the side, including thermal testing of components for Telsa cars. Oh and he has been an aircooled motor mechanic since 1958 as a hobby. Your Dad and my Dad have a lot in common, maybe yours can take my Dad flying sometime. Oh this is so warm and fuzzy, feels like family. |
| ChrisFoley |
Jul 27 2012, 03:23 PM
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I am Tangerine Racing ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 8,017 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None
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... Your Dad and my Dad have a lot in common, maybe yours can take my Dad flying sometime. Oh this is so warm and fuzzy, feels like family. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grouphug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Just stop by my shop sometime with your Dad. If my dad's not travelling, there's a good chance he'll be nearby. He loves to show off his Ryan STA restoration project in the corner of my shop, and his Bonanza is hangared only 15 minutes away. If you don't live anywhere near Hartford, don't let that stop you. Elliot Cannon was here from CA, and Mary Shortridge flew in from Kansas with her father and uncle for a visit. BTW, I'm nowhere near 100 years old. My dad is only 83. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) What did one firecracker say to the other? . . . My pop's bigger than your pop! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blowup.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) But seriously, If one has adequate instrumentation and knows what to shoot for, lean cruising with carbs or FI is an excellent choice for cool temps combined with great fuel mileage. Here's a little light reading on the subject: Mixture Management and Cylinder Head Temperatures |
| ape914 |
Jul 28 2012, 09:21 AM
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red locktite ![]() ![]() Group: Retired Members Posts: 240 Joined: 7-February 11 From: In front of a computer Member No.: 12,676 Region Association: None |
... Your Dad and my Dad have a lot in common, maybe yours can take my Dad flying sometime. Oh this is so warm and fuzzy, feels like family. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grouphug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Just stop by my shop sometime with your Dad. If my dad's not travelling, there's a good chance he'll be nearby. He loves to show off his Ryan STA restoration project in the corner of my shop, and his Bonanza is hangared only 15 minutes away. If you don't live anywhere near Hartford, don't let that stop you. Elliot Cannon was here from CA, and Mary Shortridge flew in from Kansas with her father and uncle for a visit. BTW, I'm nowhere near 100 years old. My dad is only 83. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) What did one firecracker say to the other? . . . My pop's bigger than your pop! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blowup.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) But seriously, If one has adequate instrumentation and knows what to shoot for, lean cruising with carbs or FI is an excellent choice for cool temps combined with great fuel mileage. Here's a little light reading on the subject: Mixture Management and Cylinder Head Temperatures Chris: To get the lean burn 16:1 to work do you have to alter the spark advance to work with it in anyway? and do you run a higher comprssion to compensate for the operation at less than peak power? I know these are some of the tricks to lean burn, just wonder what it takes to get it to work on a 914 motor with D-jet? |
NJ914Guy Running Hot on the Highway Jul 25 2012, 08:22 PM
mrbubblehead
My car is a 1973 914 2.0 running dual Weber 40 ca... Jul 25 2012, 09:03 PM
Racer Chris I agree with Doug.
I've been using Brad Penn ... Jul 26 2012, 06:24 AM
NJ914Guy Guys, here's John's timing settings, copye... Jul 26 2012, 06:57 AM
Racer Chris
I'd set the timing at 28 btdc, vac advance d... Jul 26 2012, 07:31 AM
Racer Chris
Should I pick-up a special type of timing gun?
... Jul 26 2012, 07:36 AM
NJ914Guy Thank you, Chris! Jul 26 2012, 08:11 AM
ape914 check your mixture too. lean running by even a sma... Jul 26 2012, 10:04 AM
NJ914Guy What's a good range for O2 on a carbed 914? Jul 26 2012, 11:01 AM
ape914
What's a good range for O2 on a carbed 914?
... Jul 26 2012, 11:26 AM
Racer Chris
but in cruise a bit on the rich side is ok on an ... Jul 26 2012, 12:06 PM
r_towle I would suggest you listen to Chris.
Chris has ta... Jul 26 2012, 12:25 PM
ape914
I would suggest you listen to Chris.
Chris has t... Jul 27 2012, 01:26 PM
r_towle
I would suggest you listen to Chris.
Chris has ... Jul 27 2012, 07:51 PM
ape914
[quote name='ape914' post='1715722' date='Jul 27 ... Jul 27 2012, 04:56 PM
MikeM Sorry about the hi-jack...
Chris, you run Brad Pen... Jul 26 2012, 02:07 PM
Racer Chris
Sorry about the hi-jack...
Chris, you run Brad Pe... Jul 26 2012, 03:00 PM
MikeM Thanks Chris...I'm going to try Valvoline VR1 ... Jul 26 2012, 03:22 PM
The Cabinetmaker The valvoline no longer has zinc in it, IIRC Jul 26 2012, 03:30 PM
MikeM Damn...not even the Vr1? Jul 26 2012, 03:31 PM
SLITS Want oil .... The "new" Kendall Gt-1 oil... Jul 26 2012, 03:40 PM
MikeM Probably not available in my area... Jul 26 2012, 03:43 PM
Racer Chris There are some motorcycle oils that still contain ... Jul 26 2012, 04:02 PM
bembry 1. What is the safe range for oil temps? Is 240 ... Jul 26 2012, 05:32 PM
mrholland2 Zinc? Do we really need zinc on a fully rebuild m... Jul 26 2012, 06:03 PM
Racer Chris
Zinc? Do we really need zinc on a fully rebuild ... Jul 26 2012, 07:15 PM

mrholland2 I've asked for oil with zinc and I get looked ... Jul 26 2012, 08:05 PM

jcd914
I've asked for oil with zinc and I get looked... Jul 26 2012, 11:39 PM
Rand
Zinc? Do we really need zinc on a fully rebuild ... Jul 26 2012, 11:29 PM
wingnut86 I agree with Rich's take on Chris as well.
Pl... Jul 26 2012, 09:29 PM
ape914
I agree with Rich's take on Chris as well.
P... Jul 27 2012, 02:03 PM
kerensky If I can't find oil with zinc, can I just scra... Jul 26 2012, 11:21 PM
Rand
If I can't find oil with zinc, can I just scr... Jul 26 2012, 11:30 PM
Rand FWIW, there are some oils left.
I've rambled a... Jul 26 2012, 11:28 PM
bembry :miles: :miles: :miles: Jul 27 2012, 07:12 PM
mrbubblehead i am running the amsoil hot rod 5/30wt- zinc fort... Jul 27 2012, 07:40 PM
Woody Ape who are you? What are your credentials? All yo... Jul 27 2012, 08:58 PM
ape914
Ape who are you? What are your credentials? All y... Jul 28 2012, 09:16 AM
The Cabinetmaker He's our thread locker. Whenever an informativ... Jul 27 2012, 09:12 PM
ape914
He's our thread locker. Whenever an informati... Jul 30 2012, 12:39 PM
mrholland2 Here's my question now: Of the total "oi... Jul 27 2012, 09:18 PM
wingnut86 Wow.
Talk about going "Ape-Shit"
Also... Jul 27 2012, 09:31 PM
mrholland2 *sighs* best thing to do with that type is ignore... Jul 27 2012, 09:33 PM
tradisrad How can we get both power and lean burn out of our... Jul 28 2012, 12:43 PM
Dave_Darling If my understanding is correct, peak EGTs would be... Jul 28 2012, 01:39 PM
tradisrad Dave, You are right about comparing the Honda to t... Jul 28 2012, 02:57 PM
mrbubblehead
Is it possible for the OP to set his carbs to r... Jul 28 2012, 05:36 PM
ape914
Is it possible for the OP to set his carbs to ... Jul 28 2012, 05:49 PM
tradisrad
yes, that is the best thing about weber idf's... Jul 28 2012, 06:50 PM

ape914
[quote name='mrbubblehead' post='1716193' date='J... Jul 30 2012, 12:17 PM
r_towle
Is it possible for the OP to set his carbs to ... Jul 30 2012, 12:51 PM
ape914
[quote name='mrbubblehead' post='1716193' date='J... Jul 30 2012, 01:39 PM
ape914 from what i know about lean burning and aero engin... Jul 28 2012, 03:26 PM
ape914 One other thing that can be added to the tunning t... Jul 30 2012, 12:10 PM
Racer Chris No different, I got the procedure from mrbubblehea... Jul 30 2012, 01:41 PM
72hardtop The following chart shows CHT, EGT etc...and relat... May 18 2014, 01:10 PM![]() ![]() |
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