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> 3.6L + 901 transaxle?, Is this a recipe for disaster?
Hydra.
post Sep 18 2012, 12:11 PM
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I'm seriously contemplating going with a 3.6L 964 motor for my 914, but I'd like to keep the existing 901 transaxle. I understand that this doesn't leave much in the way of a safety factor, but what can be done to suitably strengthen the 901? Is it absolutely necessary to lock out 1st gear, or would something like an Albins 2.400 1st gear, along with a billet sideplate help out? I understand the alternative is to go with a 915-based setup, but if a 901 can be made to work satisfactorily then I would rather do that...
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I've been using the 914 transaxle with my 3.6 since 1999. There are many opinions about this and you probably should spend an hour or so going through the threads on transaxle life with big engines. There are several threads in the Paddock that talk a lot about ways to make it last longer. Here's my short version.

1. If it's a street/now and then track car then you'll be fine if you start with a good transaxle. That means good bearings, synchros, R&P etc. If you intend to race you'll be rebuilding/replacing stuff yearly anyway. Race tires aren't going to break away and relieve the stress on the drivetrain like street tires will.

Again read some of these threads including this one that addresses a lot of this. Remember that as you read this, I didn't cool mine until this year. Frankly, in a pure street car I don't think it's needed.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=161520 and

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=177277

2. I use 1st gear all the time, but don't overstress it with excessive throttle and/or crappy clutchwork. Smooth is hyper important.

3. Did I say smooth will save your equipment?

4. Controversy alert: I have run synthetic hypoid for the entire life of the box, but most folks will tell you that dino oil is better for the synchros. My thinking is that I'd rather replace a synchro than bearings or the R&P.

I've replaced exactly one synchro in 15 years and that was only because I was installing an LSD diff and had one that was better on the shelf. Your call!

5. The 915 installation is an interesting thing. Expensive as well so make your decision after some reading in the first thread and crunching your cash numbers.

6. I ran the stock CV's/axles for years with no real problems, but they'll wear faster if you're doing a lot of heavy throttlework, so you'll want to keep an eye on them i.e. inspect/repack once every year or two. Then installed 108mm turbo cv's. Now I'm running 100mm 944 CV's because the 108's are so very much heavier.

The 901/914 transaxle is definitely lighter. This was important for me since the 3.6L engine (either 964 or 993) is so much heavier. If I blow up more than three transaxles in a row I'll install a 915 and a cable shifter, eat the weight difference (roughly 35-40 lbs IIRC) and see how that goes. But I think the 914 box will be just fine if I drive smoothly.

If you are one of those folks that shift/clutch fast then none of these boxes will last very long.

Good luck and enjoy the reading.
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Hydra.   3.6L + 901 transaxle?   Sep 18 2012, 12:11 PM
SirAndy   I'm seriously contemplating going with a 3.6L...   Sep 18 2012, 12:19 PM
pcar916   I've been using the 914 transaxle with my 3.6 ...   Sep 18 2012, 12:47 PM
Hydra.   Thanks for chiming in guys, glad to see people wit...   Sep 18 2012, 01:59 PM
SirAndy   So installing a taller aftermarket 1st gear won...   Sep 18 2012, 02:08 PM
Dr Evil   No taller first will be worth it because it will s...   Sep 18 2012, 02:06 PM
pcar916   :agree: Ditto on the billet things and first gea...   Sep 18 2012, 02:22 PM
Dr Evil   Yup, a rebuilt unit will serve you better. A used ...   Sep 18 2012, 02:37 PM
rick 918-S   901 behind a 350+ hp 928 V8. I use first gear to g...   Sep 18 2012, 02:40 PM
mittelmotor   901 behind a 350+ hp 928 V8. I use first gear to ...   Sep 18 2012, 02:57 PM
Dr Evil   901 behind a 350+ hp 928 V8. I use first gear to...   Sep 18 2012, 03:49 PM
mittelmotor   [quote name='mittelmotor' post='1740962' date='Se...   Sep 18 2012, 04:57 PM
Richard Casto   How, exactly? I'm sure there are multiple thr...   Sep 20 2012, 03:27 PM
mittelmotor   How, exactly? I'm sure there are multiple th...   Sep 20 2012, 04:25 PM
Hydra.   I'm aware that first gear is overhung/cantilev...   Sep 18 2012, 02:44 PM
rick 918-S   Longer lever = more force = more stress= :blowup:   Sep 18 2012, 02:58 PM
shoguneagle   These are all excellent points and ring of 100% tr...   Sep 18 2012, 03:34 PM
pcar916   ... all say to rebuild... Not necessarily a reb...   Sep 18 2012, 04:13 PM
Bruce Hinds   Before you lock it out, you may find it usefull if...   Sep 18 2012, 06:34 PM
iamchappy   Still working fine in my turbo car, with LSD and s...   Sep 18 2012, 07:20 PM
siverson   I blew up 3 901s with my 3.6 until I switched to a...   Sep 18 2012, 09:55 PM
computers4kids   300 + SBC with stock 901 going on three years now ...   Sep 18 2012, 10:26 PM
Richard Casto   Regarding the "through bolting" mentione...   Sep 20 2012, 03:19 PM
bulitt   Here is the Scruffy Doctors thread on first gear l...   Sep 20 2012, 04:25 PM
mittelmotor   Here is the Scruffy Doctors thread on first gear ...   Sep 20 2012, 04:34 PM
RON S.   I blew up 3 901s with my 3.6 until I switched to ...   Sep 20 2012, 04:50 PM
Andyrew   400+lbs of tq and quite a bit of drifting on 285 t...   Sep 20 2012, 06:55 PM
J P Stein   ....but remember, race tires (even 12 inch slicks?...   Sep 20 2012, 07:39 PM
speed metal army   :idea: I have lots of sideshifters.Maybe I will be...   Sep 20 2012, 09:57 PM
Hydra.   The irony is that I have a late mag-case 915 with ...   Sep 21 2012, 03:14 AM
SirAndy   A cable-shifted 915 is looking like an increasing...   Sep 21 2012, 11:10 AM
J P Stein   If 1st gear is avoided the 901 is not the weak poi...   Sep 21 2012, 10:13 AM
Matt Romanowski   Another viewpoint - we have a 3 liter in a track c...   Sep 21 2012, 10:33 AM
pcar916   I'm still running a 901 since 1994 and have ha...   Sep 21 2012, 11:06 AM
PRS914-6   This subject comes up pretty frequently and gets p...   Sep 22 2012, 09:25 AM


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