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> Alex - I'll take 914 6 ring gear damage for $1000, "what do High Torque starters do"
BKLA
post Aug 16 2007, 09:19 AM
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Unfortunately, "BluByU" sits most of the time at the CAMP, waiting to be driven. Last month, my son and I enjoyed a drive that took us out to the Portland historic races. We enjoyed the day and the track and left around 3:00 in order to make it back to my other son's soccer tournament. The six started and ran normally both two and from the race. Parked it at home and drove with the family to the game.

After family duties, when to start the six and....zzzzzzKKKK - no engagement. put the car in gear and rocked it back and forth.

Tried again. This time engagement but loud clunk each rotation. ( the starter was relatively new so I thought maybe it was loose.) Drove up to the CAMP and parked it. Climbed under to see if the starter was "loose" - nope. Put the car cover on it and suspected a broken tooth on the ring gear.

Called my trusty local independent Porsche mechanic and asked. Tried starting again same loud clunk - figured that it must have broken a couple of teeth. Anyway, had him check it and sure enough - broke 5 teeth in a row.

Now here's the rub - He installed a new flywheel and a new starter (Bosch). THe six now starts sooo much quieter and faster than it ever did with the "high Torque" one. He told me that the high torque starters work great on high compression engines, but that he recommends the bosch starters for anything stock as they don't damage the ring gear.

Now, the flywheel looks great and I understand that it can be machined and have a new ring gear welded on. (I saved it as well as the relatively new starter.) I have seen a number of flywheels with removable or replaceable ring gears and have been considering one for the new race 2.7 I have for "other" 914.

Would it be worth it to have it machined for a replaceable ring gear as well as lightened and balanced? I would keep it as a back up for my 2.7 race motor -or- use it on the race motor. Waddya think?
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post Nov 2 2012, 12:15 AM
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Has this IMI problem ever been solved?

I recently bought one of the IMI units from Pelican to use on a 3.2 with 901 & KEP ring conversion parts -

it did not come with any spacer

still new in box - should i return it ??????????????

KEP said yesterday on phone they recommend the IMI

. ????????????????


I CAN tell y'all that the Bosch hi-torque 911 unit (1.5 hp) (looks identical to my oem '89 3.2 starter) as sold by Stoddard and many others as a "solution" turns out to be a big eater of ring gears & thusly $450 flywheels (twice in 5000 miles on my 2.7)

- KEP says that the Bosch has a thin nose bushing and that it cracks on kickbacks - then the pnion gets out of tolerance and chews
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post Nov 2 2012, 05:05 AM
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I just had a hi torque starter purchased from Automotion out of Titusville FL. It was about $300. Is this one good to go without any concern for ring gear damage? My car is a 6 conversion with a OEM 914/6 flywheel and a 2.2 Engine.


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post Nov 2 2012, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE(bcheney @ Nov 2 2012, 03:05 AM) *

I just had a hi torque starter purchased from Automotion out of Titusville FL. It was about $300. Is this one good to go without any concern for ring gear damage? My car is a 6 conversion with a OEM 914/6 flywheel and a 2.2 Engine.



This starter is a Hitachi motor, not a Nippondenso motor. These have no history in the markety place like the IMI's and Hi Performance units.

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BKLA   Alex - I'll take 914 6 ring gear damage for $1000   Aug 16 2007, 09:19 AM
BKLA   ring gear   Aug 16 2007, 10:12 AM
BKLA   starter   Aug 16 2007, 10:13 AM
ConeDodger   McMark says that they engage too deep. He would pr...   Aug 16 2007, 11:01 AM
propricer   Was that the hi-torque starter that you buy on eba...   Aug 16 2007, 12:34 PM
Dr Evil   That looks a little bit different than the one I b...   Aug 16 2007, 12:40 PM
HIPERFORMANCEUSA   :trophy: That looks a little bit different than t...   Aug 17 2007, 11:30 PM
Dr Evil   :trophy: That looks a little bit different than ...   Aug 17 2007, 11:52 PM
McMark   Perry, I agree with your logic. My concern is th...   Aug 18 2007, 12:40 PM
HIPERFORMANCEUSA   Perry, I agree with your logic. My concern is t...   Aug 18 2007, 02:50 PM
BKLA   the PO installed the starter, and I'm sure he ...   Aug 16 2007, 12:44 PM
fiid   Ooooh. Interesting. I have one of those IMI jobs...   Aug 16 2007, 03:15 PM
Dr Evil   We need to settle this once and for all but gettin...   Aug 16 2007, 03:21 PM
BKLA   We need to settle this once and for all but getti...   Aug 16 2007, 06:39 PM
Dr Evil   We need to settle this once and for all but gett...   Aug 17 2007, 11:49 PM
BKLA   [quote name='BKLA' post='935736' date='Aug 16 200...   Aug 20 2007, 08:30 AM
9146986   I've seen the same thing. They don't seem...   Aug 16 2007, 05:46 PM
don9146   [quote name='9146986' post='935721' date='Aug ...   Aug 17 2007, 01:38 PM
BKLA   The new bosch starter sounds much quieter and cran...   Aug 16 2007, 06:36 PM
propricer   Dr Ev- ... if you want to start a collection of ju...   Aug 16 2007, 06:44 PM
HIPERFORMANCEUSA   Dr Ev- ... if you want to start a collection of j...   Aug 17 2007, 11:35 PM
jimkelly   i have a brand new ebay hi torque starter on my sh...   Aug 16 2007, 08:33 PM
degreeoff   Well I am going to use it. I bought the ebay deal....   Aug 17 2007, 08:42 AM
bbrown   How much are new Bosch's going for?   Aug 17 2007, 09:18 AM
McMark   Yep, there seems to be two different high torque m...   Aug 17 2007, 11:31 AM
9146986   Mark, respect your opinion. You clearly know what...   Aug 17 2007, 11:50 AM
don9146   I replaced a flywheel on a customer's car for...   Aug 17 2007, 03:37 PM
rhodyguy   what are the difs between a 4 flywheel and a 6? co...   Aug 17 2007, 02:43 PM
Dr Evil   Digging further, I can tell buy the picks in Sam...   Aug 18 2007, 12:10 AM
9146986   I forgot about you taking those pics Don, worth 10...   Aug 18 2007, 12:27 PM
SirAndy   i got mine years ago, from performance products, i...   Aug 18 2007, 04:28 PM
jsayre914   i got mine years ago, from performance products, ...   Nov 2 2012, 09:39 AM
type47fan   It's been thirty days and I'd hate to see ...   Sep 19 2007, 08:10 PM
Dr. Roger   i kinda' skimmed through this thread but didn...   Sep 19 2007, 10:37 PM
larryM   Has this IMI problem ever been solved? I recently...   Nov 2 2012, 12:15 AM
bcheney   I just had a hi torque starter purchased from Auto...   Nov 2 2012, 05:05 AM
HIPERFORMANCEUSA   I just had a hi torque starter purchased from Aut...   Nov 2 2012, 04:01 PM
Eric_Shea   They resolved this years ago and send a spacer for...   Nov 2 2012, 08:53 AM
SLITS   Sam uses the Hitachi starter it appears. The IMI ...   Nov 2 2012, 11:11 AM
HIPERFORMANCEUSA   Sam uses the Hitachi starter it appears. The IMI...   Nov 2 2012, 03:59 PM
SLITS   I get them crossed up as I really don't deal w...   Nov 2 2012, 05:07 PM
rfuerst911sc   My 1983 911SC has a hi-torque starter that I purch...   Nov 3 2012, 03:52 AM
larryM   Now, the flywheel looks great and I understand th...   Nov 5 2012, 11:06 PM
larryM   NADA - (not NAPA) - KEP says today they do not s...   Nov 7 2012, 07:21 PM
sixnotfour   Kennedy sells the ring gears and probably will do ...   Nov 6 2012, 02:35 AM
Joe Sharp   I bought mine at Pelican and am a happy camper, wi...   Nov 6 2012, 08:55 AM
sean_v8_914   terry cable had the wrong example for teh 914 six ...   Nov 6 2012, 10:00 AM
sixnotfour   tell em you need a 12 volt bug ring gear, I got 4 ...   Nov 8 2012, 11:13 AM
larryM   :cheer: RIMCO VW does it all - $130 includ...   Nov 8 2012, 05:50 PM
larryM   fwiw - I talked to Matt at IMI - (HI-Torque) today...   Nov 13 2012, 09:03 PM
larryM   here is a picture of the RIMCO repaired ring gea...   Nov 16 2012, 05:35 PM


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