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stugray
post Nov 18 2012, 12:45 PM
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I was once told by one of the resident "experts" on this forum (who has not been around lately) that I should replace my sodium filled valves with stainless. However after visiting the local RSR racing mechaninc (who is machining my case and inspecting my heads), HE said that he goes out of his way to FIND sodium filled valves for race engines. He said that on Air-cooled engines, the sodium helps pull the heat from the heads.

Any comments or suggestions regarding sodium vs. stainless?

I also heard that a simple change from two-angle to three-angle valve seats can increase flow by more than 20% with no other changes to the heads.

Good news is that I should be re-assembling the engine without the deck height problems over thanksgiving weekend. Hope to have it running by Xmas. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)

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post Nov 18 2012, 07:42 PM
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Sodium valves transfer heat to the valve guides. They are hollow and filled with sodium. Sodium of course is corrosive to metal and as mentioned sodium valves probably have a limited life (20 yrs?). Many Ferrari's came with sodium valves.

As far as 3 angle valve guides. The three angles are fairly normal in production cars now. Valve guide machines cut the three angles with a single pass using multiple angled blades. A 20% increase in flow is probably a far stretch. Many racers now go for a 5 angle cut or an infinite flow cut (think 1/2 of a bell curve).
The multi angle cuts allow air to flow around the seat/valve with less turbulence resulting in higher flow at lower valve lift.

In addition to having a multiple angle valve seat you can also have the valve seat face back cut. Looking at a valve you have the normal 45 degree cut on the valve face which seals on the valve seat. A back cut is added to the top of the face so air flowing out of the intake port flows easier over the valve.

It is widely accepted that valve seat cuts should not exceed 15 degrees between cuts. When atomized fuel tries to go around an angle greater, the fuel tends to drop out of suspension. Most three angle jobs coming out of the port are 60/45/30.

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stugray   Sodium Valves?   Nov 18 2012, 12:45 PM
76-914   I'll give you a little hint. Aircraft engines ...   Nov 18 2012, 12:58 PM
gandalf_025   I know Chevrolet used sodium filled exhaust valves...   Nov 18 2012, 01:01 PM
WLD419   Sodium valves = good Old school tech , they withst...   Nov 18 2012, 01:08 PM
gothspeed   As long as the engine is well maintained and not a...   Nov 18 2012, 01:27 PM
barefoot   As long as the engine is well maintained and not ...   Jul 5 2014, 06:33 AM
Keyser Sose   I don't think you're going to get a more e...   Jul 5 2014, 09:47 PM
shoguneagle   I, also, will give you a little hint. STAY WITH T...   Nov 18 2012, 02:16 PM
ConeDodger   In theory. The sodium does keep the heat out but I...   Nov 18 2012, 02:19 PM
rdauenhauer   I call :stromberg: on that thinking. Rob sounds...   Nov 18 2012, 05:12 PM
ConeDodger   I call :stromberg: on that thinking. Rob sound...   Nov 19 2012, 10:50 AM
edwin   I thought a bit of raby's thinking was to do w...   Nov 18 2012, 05:23 PM
rdauenhauer   BTW this was beat to death here a few yrs ago. :...   Nov 18 2012, 05:42 PM
bulitt   Sodium valves transfer heat to the valve guides. ...   Nov 18 2012, 07:42 PM
HAM Inc   The Sodium in the valves transfer heat away from t...   Nov 18 2012, 08:01 PM
Dave_Darling   The stock heads already have a three-angle job on ...   Nov 18 2012, 08:02 PM
HAM Inc   Not true, I see many modern heads, and I can say ...   Nov 18 2012, 08:11 PM
HAM Inc   Just to continue on the thread hijack, I attached ...   Nov 18 2012, 08:20 PM
bulitt   Just to continue on the thread hijack, I attached...   Nov 19 2012, 05:58 AM
Mark Henry   Your bench looks familiar...you do work for Jake...   Nov 19 2012, 08:23 AM
pete-stevers   What does the inside of a sodium valve look like?   Nov 18 2012, 09:05 PM
sixnotfour   hollow with sodium in it   Nov 18 2012, 09:35 PM
John Jentz   I was once told by one of the resident "expe...   Nov 19 2012, 11:12 AM
brant   another thing I don't see mentioned in this th...   Nov 19 2012, 11:31 AM
worn   another thing I don't see mentioned in this t...   Nov 19 2012, 01:10 PM
Mark Henry   A lot of the sodum is better crowd info is coming ...   Jul 5 2014, 06:56 AM
Jake Raby   The worst failures I've ever seen have come fr...   Jul 5 2014, 07:08 AM
brant   The worst failures I've ever seen have come f...   Jul 5 2014, 09:07 PM
bulitt   :agree: Sodium corrodes steel. Only a matter of ...   Jul 5 2014, 12:39 PM


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