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> Alternator - Voltage Regulator, WTF
Mblizzard
post May 7 2013, 07:17 PM
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Ok seems simple. Voltage light on dash on. Battery dies. Replaced voltage regulator with a wells VR650. Light on dash off. All seems good. But voltmeter shows the voltage dropping the longer the car runs until it dies. Voltage does not change regardless of engine speed.

Put the old regulator back on. Light on dash stays on regardless of engine speed. But voltmeter shows an increase in voltage with engine speed. I have not gotten the battery charged yet to see if running the engine discharges the battery.

I am at a loss as to what try next.
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post May 10 2013, 06:34 PM
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Mblizzard,
I also am not an expert, however, my understanding of alternators and voltage regulators are as follows; the voltage regulator regulates the current applied to charge the battery depending on a reference voltage from the battery, less battery voltage = more charging current. If the reference voltage is suddenly removed, (equals 0 volts), the the alternator tries to put out max current all at once. The diodes that change the AC voltage of the alternator to DC voltage for charging the battery are rated at certain voltages. In case of a sudden spike exceeding the diodes working max voltages, they can fail either in the open condition or shorted condition, either case will cause the alternator to be inoperative until repaired.
I remember in the days of generators back in the 50's that what you did was an acceptable way to check if the charging circuit was bad or the battery was bad. Not so for the new, ( after 50's) alternator equiped cars. Call up a mechanic that you trust and ask what they think. Most of the owners manuals nowadays have something in them about disconnecting the battery when running to protect the computer systems yes, but that voltage spike would destroy not only the computer, but the alternator also.
I hope this either helps you understand the alternator/regulator system in our cars or promps you to seek additional knowledge to improve your understanding. As I said , I am not an expert, just repeating what I have been told for many years.
You mentioned a center console change, maybe the previous owner has done some wiring changes that you are unaware of that could be giving you some problems.
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Mblizzard   Alternator - Voltage Regulator   May 7 2013, 07:17 PM
r_towle   Seriously, tap the VR a few times, it may be stuck...   May 7 2013, 07:27 PM
bcheney   Seriously, tap the VR a few times, it may be stuc...   May 7 2013, 08:27 PM
SLITS   Seriously, tap the VR a few times, it may be stu...   May 8 2013, 06:48 AM
Mblizzard   Pull the alt and have it tested. That is what I...   May 8 2013, 07:23 AM
SLITS   Pull the alt and have it tested. That is what ...   May 8 2013, 07:29 AM
luskesq   [quote name='bcheney' post='1860984' date='May 7 ...   May 8 2013, 10:44 AM
SLITS   [quote name='bcheney' post='1860984' date='May 7...   May 8 2013, 03:54 PM
Elliot Cannon   [quote name='luskesq' post='1861215' date='May 8 ...   May 8 2013, 07:04 PM
Mblizzard   Seriously, tap the VR a few times, it may be stuc...   May 7 2013, 08:48 PM
Cap'n Krusty   Before you go any farther. Check the fuses and th...   May 8 2013, 07:50 AM
bcheney   Before you go any farther. Check the fuses and t...   May 8 2013, 08:10 AM
Mblizzard   Hard to guess against the Captian! But if the...   May 8 2013, 10:33 AM
AE354803   The solid state hella unit from Pelican Parts is g...   May 8 2013, 07:09 PM
damesandhotrods   I just replaced my voltage regulator about a month...   May 8 2013, 11:22 AM
Drums66   ....My advice, convert to electronic(VR) :thumbsu...   May 8 2013, 12:00 PM
damesandhotrods   I goofed; it is a Hella not a Bosch. But judging ...   May 8 2013, 12:06 PM
Mblizzard   Did not find a voltage regulator on the bird site....   May 8 2013, 03:34 PM
Cap'n Krusty   914s are not known for losing cooling function whe...   May 8 2013, 04:49 PM
ThePaintedMan   914s are not known for losing cooling function wh...   May 8 2013, 05:08 PM
mepstein   914s are not known for losing cooling function w...   May 8 2013, 05:19 PM
ThePaintedMan   [quote name='ThePaintedMan' post='1861331' date='...   May 9 2013, 07:30 AM
SLITS   Ok Experts .... I run a 2.7L six. Wanna repeat th...   May 8 2013, 06:24 PM
r_towle   Even I remember slits runs a six cylinder....and I...   May 8 2013, 06:26 PM
damesandhotrods   Pelican Parts - Product Info Electricity good…   May 8 2013, 06:44 PM
Mblizzard   Ok so here is the question. I have possibly two vo...   May 8 2013, 07:41 PM
r_towle   Is there an alternator test stand locally? We have...   May 8 2013, 07:44 PM
Mblizzard   Ok so maybe I will get that kick inthe groin anywa...   May 9 2013, 07:25 PM
r_towle   its faster to leave the engine in the car. Alterna...   May 9 2013, 08:51 PM
Tom   In post #15, you mentioned that the car died when ...   May 10 2013, 01:31 PM
Mblizzard   In post #15, you mentioned that the car died when...   May 10 2013, 02:29 PM
SLITS   In post #15, you mentioned that the car died whe...   May 10 2013, 03:25 PM
worn   In post #15, you mentioned that the car died whe...   May 13 2013, 03:11 PM
worn   Ok seems simple. Voltage light on dash on. Batte...   May 10 2013, 02:07 PM
Steve Snyder   I was always taught and read that if you disconne...   May 10 2013, 03:41 PM
damesandhotrods   When I went for my mechanics license, the word was...   May 10 2013, 05:17 PM
Tom   Mblizzard, I also am not an expert, however, my...   May 10 2013, 06:34 PM
Mblizzard   Tom thanks for the response. I really appreciate ...   May 10 2013, 07:28 PM
Mblizzard   Well went ahead and ordered new alternator. Did a...   May 12 2013, 04:55 PM
r_towle   Well went ahead and ordered new alternator. Did ...   May 13 2013, 03:18 PM
Mblizzard   Rich - brand new battery. Ran it all day no issu...   May 13 2013, 07:21 PM
stugray   Worn nailed it. The battery also acts as a volta...   May 13 2013, 09:39 PM
tommy914   I'm having similar issues. Alternator light gl...   Jun 3 2013, 07:52 PM


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