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May 13 2013, 08:33 AM
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If anyone has read my previous threads my two week vacation turned from driving to lying on the creeper under the new engine and transmission. Low oil pressure after warm up. I ordered a new Melling 30 mm pump and we shall see, but at the same time I looked into the pressure relief system - especially where it shunts oil away from the cooler because it is easier to see in the car.
What I found surprised me. First, looking at two different cases (72 1.7 and 76 2.0) I found that the piston seats on a shoulder in the bore that is at most a mm wide, and is not at all uniform in width across the piston face. OK, maybe it isn't supposed to seal. Second I found that by the time you have opened the valve to shunt past the cooler, you are also dumping into the sump. That is there is a small overlap between the outlet to the oil gallery and the grooves cut in the bore leading to the sump exit. Finally, the piston is simply loose in the bore. I can understand a fear of seizing, but there is no way that with my system oil isn't streaming into the sump, and it will stream faster as it thins - much faster. I also spent a long time cruising the Samba - they ought to know whats up. What I found is a recurrent theme of new engines built in a variety of ways making low oil pressure. Many people were happy with what I ended up with - 10 psi at idle. On a new engine. It is steel against untreated aluminum, so wear would be expected, but mine do not look worn - just poorly made. Maybe they are worn and I cannot tell. I got a face full of oil on one attempt at examination, so I may have missed things. It seems an ideal situation for machining or sleeving during the rebuild, and I actually found a manufacturer of a sleeving kit with a ball bearing valve. Thoughts ladies and gentlemen? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) |
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May 13 2013, 09:22 AM
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Keep in mind this is just a guess... The oil pressure relief system includes a spring and a piston. The PET lsits 2 springs and 2 pistons by part number. Could you have the wrong spring or piston for your engine block? Maybe the spring is just fatigued from 40 years and opens too easily letting your pressure bleed off? John |
worn Relief May 13 2013, 08:33 AM
reharvey I've been following your posts about the oil p... May 13 2013, 08:57 AM
worn
I've been following your posts about the oil ... May 13 2013, 09:33 AM
worn
I've been following your posts about the oil ... May 13 2013, 01:28 PM
reharvey
I've been following your posts about the oil... May 14 2013, 03:28 PM
worn
[quote name='worn' post='1863422' date='May 13 20... May 14 2013, 03:39 PM
Cap'n Krusty How is a larger oil pump, which will definitely in... May 13 2013, 09:20 AM
worn
How is a larger oil pump, which will definitely i... May 14 2013, 12:56 PM
worn Here is a drawing about what it looks like. Sorry... May 13 2013, 09:22 AM
nathansnathan I've experienced this same thing, low oil pres... May 13 2013, 09:24 AM
worn Yeah Nathan, I looked at that site too. I am way... May 13 2013, 09:38 AM
r_towle Check the case main bearing seat size.
Check the m... May 14 2013, 02:33 PM
worn
Check the case main bearing seat size.
Check the ... May 14 2013, 02:49 PM
r_towle
[quote name='r_towle' post='1863940' date='May 14... May 14 2013, 03:44 PM
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[quote name='r_towle' post='1863940' date='May 1... May 14 2013, 09:16 PM
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[quote name='r_towle' post='1863972' date='May 14... May 15 2013, 07:17 AM
worn
So, now what are you planning to do?
Not sure I ... May 15 2013, 12:08 PM
eyesright FWIW I'm just now rereading the Haynes manual,... May 14 2013, 02:33 PM
worn
FWIW I'm just now rereading the Haynes manual... May 14 2013, 03:00 PM
yeahmag Interesting for sure:
http://www.headflowmasters.... May 14 2013, 03:14 PM
cary Did you get a case yet?
I have one that had a hol... May 15 2013, 06:00 AM
r_towle Please post some pics of what you are doing. May 15 2013, 09:46 PM
worn
Please post some pics of what you are doing.
OK... May 16 2013, 08:44 AM
nathansnathan aircooled.net used to rent out a 5/8" end mil... May 16 2013, 09:05 AM

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aircooled.net used to rent out a 5/8" end mi... May 16 2013, 09:24 AM
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[quote name='r_towle' post='1864740' date='May 15... May 20 2013, 10:16 AM
FourBlades :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
You have done a ... May 16 2013, 01:21 PM
brant This is what I described in your other thread
it m... May 16 2013, 01:59 PM
yeahmag Just to refresh my memory, you are trying to get m... May 16 2013, 02:08 PM
r_towle Interesting.
Might be worth getting a custom pisto... May 16 2013, 04:52 PM
Jake Raby All these rules and myths change when bearing clea... May 16 2013, 09:31 PM
worn
All these rules and myths change when bearing cle... May 17 2013, 09:10 PM
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What I think is interesting is we have numbers fo... May 18 2013, 06:53 AM
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What I think is interesting is we have numbers f... May 19 2013, 08:53 PM
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[quote name='nathansnathan' post='1865830' date='... May 19 2013, 08:57 PM
cary I learned another lesson as well. You cannot tune ... May 19 2013, 10:29 PM
worn
[color=#330099][i]I learned another lesson as wel... May 20 2013, 08:41 AM
yeahmag So you went from 10PSI to 20PSI at idle with all t... May 19 2013, 09:23 PM
worn
So you went from 10PSI to 20PSI at idle with all ... May 20 2013, 08:45 AM
r_towle
So you went from 10PSI to 20PSI at idle with all... May 25 2013, 11:49 AM
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[quote name='worn' post='1866719' date='May 20 20... May 26 2013, 09:13 AM
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[quote name='worn' post='1866719' date='May 20 2... May 26 2013, 02:30 PM
396 Sub as its very interesting read.
After reading t... May 19 2013, 10:09 PM
eyesright My (home rebuild) engine is back in the car, oil l... May 20 2013, 10:01 AM
eyesright Warn
I located the relief valve seat by looking u... May 25 2013, 06:49 PM
76-914 Verify your "cheap gages" or you'll ... May 26 2013, 07:53 AM
yeahmag The VDO CHT is not temp compensated. You have to d... May 26 2013, 09:44 AM
eyesright worn
I agree with yeahmag. My VDO CHT shows 350F.... May 26 2013, 03:19 PM
eyesright PS Worn, oh yeah, one more thing. When you open th... May 26 2013, 04:35 PM![]() ![]() |
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