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jim_hoyland
post May 16 2013, 03:50 PM
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I was wondering whether all 914's inherently are unable to shift from 1st to second without quickly--a slight hesitation has been my experience.

The bushing had been replaced, the shifter is a J West rennshift,tranny was rebuilt by Dr Evil, and it shifts fine from 2 to 3, and 4 to 5. Three to four takes a little work, but a lot less than 1 to 2

Any experience or suggestions here ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post May 17 2013, 09:57 AM
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My understanding is that hesitation is the end result of the original "Porsche-Type" syncromesh transmission design.

Could lube be the culprit? I know in my tranny, a modern lube prevented an easy shift into fist at a stop light as the "slippery'er'er'er" lube didn't allow the syncros to play with one another as they should.

Put some big, fat dyno lube in there if you haven't already and see if it makes a difference.

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Synchronizer rings
If the teeth, the so-called dog teeth, make contact with the gear, but the two parts are spinning at different speeds, the teeth will fail to engage and a loud grinding sound will be heard as they clatter together. For this reason, a modern dog clutch in an automobile has a synchronizer mechanism or synchromesh, which consists of a cone clutch and blocking ring. Before the teeth can engage, the cone clutch engages first, which brings the selector and gear to the same speed using friction. Moreover, until synchronization occurs, the teeth are prevented from making contact, because further motion of the selector is prevented by a blocker (or baulk) ring. When synchronization occurs, friction on the blocker ring is relieved and it twists slightly, bringing into alignment certain grooves and notches that allow further passage of the selector which brings the teeth together. Of course, the exact design of the synchronizer varies from manufacturer to manufacturer.
The synchronizer[3] has to overcome the momentum of the entire input shaft and clutch disk when it is changing shaft rpm to match the new gear ratio. It can be abused by exposure to the momentum and power of the engine itself, which is what happens when attempts are made to select a gear without fully disengaging the clutch. This causes extra wear on the rings and sleeves, reducing their service life. When an experimenting driver tries to "match the revs" on a synchronized transmission and force it into gear without using the clutch, the synchronizer will make up for any discrepancy in RPM. The success in engaging the gear without clutching can deceive the driver into thinking that the RPM of the layshaft and transmission were actually exactly matched. Nevertheless, approximate rev. matching with clutching can decrease the general change between layshaft and transmission and decrease synchro wear.
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jim_hoyland   Shifter question   May 16 2013, 03:50 PM
Jeffs9146   Mine doesn't have a problem but I refreshed it...   May 16 2013, 03:55 PM
somd914   Does it grind if you shift quickly or do you mean ...   May 16 2013, 03:57 PM
jim_hoyland   Does it grind if you shift quickly or do you mean...   May 16 2013, 04:04 PM
Eric_Shea   Guess: After watching the Doc rebuild video, I...   May 16 2013, 04:07 PM
jim_hoyland   Guess: After watching the Doc rebuild video, I...   May 16 2013, 04:37 PM
r_towle   Hesitation is normal but if its to much, it could ...   May 16 2013, 04:46 PM
914itis   I have the same exact issue. I was told my 2nd gre...   May 16 2013, 07:07 PM
Dr Evil   I am going to bet the rennshift is not adjusted op...   May 16 2013, 08:09 PM
worn   I am going to bet the rennshift is not adjusted o...   May 16 2013, 08:57 PM
Eric_Shea   My understanding is that hesitation is the end res...   May 17 2013, 09:57 AM
worn   My understanding is that hesitation is the end re...   May 17 2013, 10:57 AM
Eric_Shea   I believe 90w is spec. :confused:   May 17 2013, 11:46 AM
r_towle   GL5 dino oil. Any synthetic is to slippery for th...   May 17 2013, 11:56 AM
jim_hoyland   I change the tranny oil every 10K with 90 wt. Abou...   May 17 2013, 12:45 PM
Eric_Shea   :screwy: :D   May 17 2013, 02:04 PM
Eric_Shea   On a more serious note... if you're accelera...   May 17 2013, 02:08 PM
r_towle   So, what he is saying is SLOW DOWN.... Its faster ...   May 17 2013, 02:12 PM
porschefile2010   I had a 930 with a G50 in it and same thing - it...   May 17 2013, 02:20 PM
r_towle   dont forget the 915 in the 911's seocnd sucks ...   May 17 2013, 02:21 PM
r_towle   oh, Our grandfather has the same issue. 356/beetle...   May 17 2013, 02:21 PM
jim_hoyland   Went out to try shifting a lower speed/rpms. A lit...   May 17 2013, 05:48 PM
r_towle   Went out to try shifting a lower speed/rpms. A li...   May 17 2013, 09:11 PM
Dr Evil   There is too much info here to clarify categorical...   May 17 2013, 06:23 PM
Dr Evil   "Mike has certainly seen his share of transmi...   May 17 2013, 09:25 PM
r_towle   Using used parts has risk involved, nothing agains...   May 18 2013, 11:05 AM
partwerks   I had my 1st gear blocked off when I had a taller ...   May 19 2013, 06:24 PM


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