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57lincolnman
post May 27 2013, 12:39 PM
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Recently completed rebuild of 1.8L and it's running too hot. Oil temps climb to 230 with only about 10 minutes running. It doesn't matter how the engine is loaded. Items to consider: 1) case cleaned and checked for alignment; 2) LN pistons installed at 96mm with new Nickie cylinders; 3) cylinder heads (1.8L) cleaned and set for 8.25:1; 4) new connecting rods; 5) push rods check out OK; 6) car did not previously have thermostat or cooling flaps, so these were installed. Thermostat opens as it should at 180; 7) Air/fuel ratio is 12-14 and within spec; 8) engine timing within spec; 8) mild cam upgrade. 9) crankshaft and flywheel were balanced; 10) all engine tin is in place

Could it be that the engine cooling flaps are not working or reversed? All thoughts and commentary are welcome. This one has us baffled.
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post May 27 2013, 08:40 PM
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what weight engine oil? could be high oil pressure is bypassing the oil cooler.
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post May 28 2013, 02:18 PM
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QUOTE(mrbubblehead @ May 27 2013, 06:40 PM) *

what weight engine oil? could be high oil pressure is bypassing the oil cooler.


Good point. I need to check with engine builder as to what he is using. I know that it is a Brad Penn racing oil that he's using to break in the engine. I'll get back to you.
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what weight engine oil? could be high oil pressure is bypassing the oil cooler.


Good point. I need to check with engine builder as to what he is using. I know that it is a Brad Penn racing oil that he's using to break in the engine. I'll get back to you.


many believe they HAVE to run 50 wt. which all they are doing is creating heat and throwing away horsepower. you should taylor your oil weight to your psi and rpm. this is with full group 4 or group 5 (ester) synthetics. i think the bypass spring is set up for around 46 psi. racer chris or jake would know exactly. anyways when you are at high rpm, oil pressure is high esspecially with thicker oil. the engine goes into protection mode and bypasses the oil cooler to protect it. high pressure = resistance and heat. lower oil pressure = more flow. (too a point)
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QUOTE(mrbubblehead @ May 27 2013, 06:40 PM) *

what weight engine oil? could be high oil pressure is bypassing the oil cooler.


Good point. I need to check with engine builder as to what he is using. I know that it is a Brad Penn racing oil that he's using to break in the engine. I'll get back to you.


many believe they HAVE to run 50 wt. which all they are doing is creating heat and throwing away horsepower. you should taylor your oil weight to your psi and rpm. this is with full group 4 or group 5 (ester) synthetics. i think the bypass spring is set up for around 46 psi. racer chris or jake would know exactly. anyways when you are at high rpm, oil pressure is high esspecially with thicker oil. the engine goes into protection mode and bypasses the oil cooler to protect it. high pressure = resistance and heat. lower oil pressure = more flow. (too a point)

When there is too much pressure the relief valve opens, but it also closes. Shouldn't be open ever below 25 if working. For most cars once warm a single pause at idle will lower pressure enough to close the valve after warm up. Opening takes in the 40s because the area for oil to press against is smaller than the area after opening. I don't think this is overheating the car because the pressure is so low.
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57lincolnman   New engine rebuild running hot   May 27 2013, 12:39 PM
billh1963   Recently completed rebuild of 1.8L and it's r...   May 27 2013, 01:24 PM
57lincolnman   Recently completed rebuild of 1.8L and it's ...   May 28 2013, 01:55 PM
timothy_nd28   Carb, or the original FI?   May 27 2013, 01:38 PM
57lincolnman   Carb, or the original FI? This is L-tronic 1.8L...   May 28 2013, 01:57 PM
Jake Raby   I have NEVER had any thermal control issues with a...   May 27 2013, 07:11 PM
57lincolnman   I have NEVER had any thermal control issues with ...   May 28 2013, 02:08 PM
r_towle   Sensor and gauge match?   May 27 2013, 07:14 PM
57lincolnman   Sensor and gauge match? This was the same set-u...   May 28 2013, 02:11 PM
jsconst   You list mild cam upgrade, and list "push rod...   May 27 2013, 07:51 PM
57lincolnman   You list mild cam upgrade, and list "push ro...   May 28 2013, 02:16 PM
mrbubblehead   what weight engine oil? could be high oil pressure...   May 27 2013, 08:40 PM
57lincolnman   what weight engine oil? could be high oil pressur...   May 28 2013, 02:18 PM
57lincolnman   what weight engine oil? could be high oil pressur...   May 28 2013, 02:18 PM
mrbubblehead   what weight engine oil? could be high oil pressu...   May 28 2013, 03:50 PM
worn   [quote name='57lincolnman' post='1870961' date='M...   May 28 2013, 06:06 PM
AE354803   if you are seeing low oil pressure and high temper...   May 28 2013, 10:54 PM
brant   The cooling flaps linkage can easily get over exte...   May 27 2013, 08:57 PM
'73-914kid   10-12 psi at 3400rpm is the things nightmares are ...   May 28 2013, 02:03 PM
timothy_nd28   what oil are you using? It could also be a bearin...   May 28 2013, 02:07 PM
57lincolnman   what oil are you using? It could also be a beari...   May 28 2013, 02:22 PM
timothy_nd28   Time being, you can adjust your air flow meter to ...   May 28 2013, 02:27 PM
avidfanjpl   I doubt that it is a flaps issue. The pressure is ...   May 29 2013, 01:33 AM
57lincolnman   I doubt that it is a flaps issue. The pressure is...   May 29 2013, 03:39 PM
timothy_nd28   :agree:   May 29 2013, 05:59 AM
Racer Chris   Harve, The problem has nothing to do with the cool...   May 29 2013, 06:47 AM
brant   its possible for a relief piston to stick in the b...   May 29 2013, 06:55 AM
injunmort   in earlier post you mention mild cam, are you sure...   May 29 2013, 07:07 AM
worn   in earlier post you mention mild cam, are you sur...   May 29 2013, 08:36 AM
57lincolnman   in earlier post you mention mild cam, are you sur...   May 29 2013, 03:30 PM
injunmort   the timing sheet that is supplied with the cam, a ...   May 29 2013, 09:09 AM
57lincolnman   the timing sheet that is supplied with the cam, a...   May 29 2013, 03:31 PM


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