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> Thank you to 914 World and New Problem- Fuel System, Fuel System
Oregon74
post Jun 2 2013, 08:42 PM
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First- without the help of Admin Andy and Timothy nd 28- my 1975 1.8 L jet would not be on the road. Thank you to everyone who helped me.

NEW ISSUE I NEED HELP FINDING- WHY CAN'T THE ENGINE CONTINUE TO RUN?

The engine will start. (I was having a problem with the ignition not turning the motor over- but I think I solved it with a fuse and a relay problem). Now, she starts every time, but then stops after a few seconds. It appears either my fuel pump is out or I'm not getting enough electricity to the pump to run it.

I have installed a MSN fuel pump. It is high presure and worked perfect out of the box. I put about 2,000 miles on the car before this mystery started.

I've checked the in-line fuel filter and it seems fine. (I do live in Southern Oregon where during the winter the area is forced to run oxigenated fuel that is known to cause problems with older cars- but since she starts just fine I think my injectors are ok.)

I've pulled the relay apart and all contacts seem to hit just fine.

My questions:

1. Could a new fuel pump go bad this fast?
2. If I'm not getting enough electricity, or have a bad end, where in the world do I find the wires in the engine bay? The pump is connected with a brown and a black (ground) wire.
3. Could it still be the relay?

Thanks in advance of to everyone who might chip in advice. I am not experienced checking voltages- but am willing to learn.

The problem with this car is: I've got the body in great shape, put a new interior kit in, and have thought about selling it to finance either an SC or a motor for my 365c, but I'm really starting to love this little car. Or as my wife calls it: The Hot Wheel.

Thanks,

JAA
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post Jun 5 2013, 06:56 PM
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Just to keep everything straight, lets review what has been tested so far:
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By applying power straight to pin 88D,your car runs with this configuration, proves that the wiring from the dual relay to the fuel pump works...(above pic)
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This test applies power to pin 88a, and you physically moving the AFM flap by hand, turned on the fuel pump. This proves that the AFM fuel contacts are functional, so far so good...(above pic)
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This test applies power straight to pin 88z. Physically moving the AFM flap with the ignition on, had a result of no fuel pump action. Which made me home into the actual coil part of the dual relay (above pic)
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Forcing the coil, we applied 12vdc at pin 86c. With the ignition on, and forcing the AFM flap open, no fuel pump action
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Forcing the issue "part 2", we kept 12vdc on pin 86C but also added a ground on pin 85. Test result was (ignition on, flap deflected), fuel pump did turn on. This made me believe that we had a bad ground
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Oregon74   Thank you to 914 World and New Problem- Fuel System   Jun 2 2013, 08:42 PM
rick 918-S   Hmmm... :idea: If it starts and idles and runs fi...   Jun 3 2013, 05:59 AM
Black22   L jet cars will do this when the AFM is not connec...   Jun 3 2013, 08:16 AM
Oregon74   Still not finding the problem. No air leaks. Can...   Jun 4 2013, 06:18 PM
timothy_nd28   What a great looking 914, it would be a shame if y...   Jun 3 2013, 11:19 AM
Oregon74   What a great looking 914, it would be a shame if ...   Jun 4 2013, 09:27 PM
worn   First- without the help of Admin Andy and Timothy...   Jun 3 2013, 11:21 AM
timothy_nd28   First- without the help of Admin Andy and Timothy...   Jun 3 2013, 11:34 AM
Cap'n Krusty   What is a "MSN" fuel pump? Now, on to...   Jun 3 2013, 11:59 AM
timothy_nd28   [color=#FF0000][i]What is a "MSN" fuel ...   Jun 3 2013, 12:03 PM
worn   A liberal left leaning pump? :lol4: Is the a...   Jun 3 2013, 02:15 PM
Oregon74   [color=#FF0000][i]What is a "MSN" fuel...   Jun 4 2013, 09:25 PM
Oregon74   What is a "MSN" fuel pump? Now, on t...   Jun 4 2013, 09:07 AM
timothy_nd28   Both the Captain and I gave you instructions that ...   Jun 4 2013, 06:35 PM
r_towle   Ljet trouble shooting. http://manuals.type4.org/l...   Jun 4 2013, 08:41 PM
r_towle   Unplug the airflow meter Put an ohm meter between ...   Jun 4 2013, 08:46 PM
Oregon74   Unplug the airflow meter Put an ohm meter between...   Jun 4 2013, 09:28 PM
timothy_nd28   Unplug the airflow meter Put an ohm meter betwee...   Jun 4 2013, 10:20 PM
timothy_nd28   My test was never meant as a permanent fix. I jus...   Jun 4 2013, 09:34 PM
timothy_nd28   Okay, remove the jumper wire that you installed on...   Jun 4 2013, 09:46 PM
Oregon74   Okay, remove the jumper wire that you installed o...   Jun 5 2013, 12:40 PM
timothy_nd28   Good, now remove that jumper. We need to move the...   Jun 5 2013, 01:13 PM
Oregon74   Good, now remove that jumper. We need to move th...   Jun 5 2013, 02:01 PM
timothy_nd28   Yep, looks like 88z is the pin that shares the red...   Jun 5 2013, 02:14 PM
Oregon74   Yep, looks like 88z is the pin that shares the re...   Jun 5 2013, 02:53 PM
timothy_nd28   Keep that jumper where it is at, but now add one m...   Jun 5 2013, 02:55 PM
Oregon74   Keep that jumper where it is at, but now add one ...   Jun 5 2013, 03:20 PM
timothy_nd28   good, remove that other jumper, but keep the one j...   Jun 5 2013, 03:25 PM
Oregon74   good, remove that other jumper, but keep the one ...   Jun 5 2013, 04:22 PM
timothy_nd28   Did you try starting the car? Since we removed th...   Jun 5 2013, 04:32 PM
Oregon74   Did you try starting the car? Since we removed t...   Jun 5 2013, 05:25 PM
timothy_nd28   Okay, put the jumper back on 86c to the positive b...   Jun 5 2013, 05:51 PM
timothy_nd28   Just to keep everything straight, lets review what...   Jun 5 2013, 06:56 PM
timothy_nd28   At this point, the fuel pump works when you deflec...   Jun 5 2013, 07:23 PM
Oregon74   At this point, the fuel pump works when you defle...   Jun 6 2013, 04:52 PM
Oregon74   Tim- Sorry for the delay. Life and a few graduat...   Jun 10 2013, 09:58 PM
timothy_nd28   With your voltmeter, measure pin 86C to the negati...   Jun 10 2013, 10:02 PM
Oregon74   Tim- Went to the part store, got a few wires with...   Jun 11 2013, 10:37 PM
speed metal army   Jeesh! Tim Is a troubleshooting god of some so...   Jun 11 2013, 11:21 PM
timothy_nd28   Excellent but damn! You had a testable condit...   Jun 12 2013, 11:36 AM
Oregon74   Tim- False alarm. She is up to the old tricks. ...   Jun 16 2013, 10:29 AM
timothy_nd28   Sure, I'll pm you my cell number   Jun 16 2013, 10:41 AM


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