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| Oregon74 |
Jun 2 2013, 08:42 PM
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Newbie ![]() Group: Members Posts: 44 Joined: 13-October 12 From: Oregon Member No.: 15,035 Region Association: None |
First- without the help of Admin Andy and Timothy nd 28- my 1975 1.8 L jet would not be on the road. Thank you to everyone who helped me.
NEW ISSUE I NEED HELP FINDING- WHY CAN'T THE ENGINE CONTINUE TO RUN? The engine will start. (I was having a problem with the ignition not turning the motor over- but I think I solved it with a fuse and a relay problem). Now, she starts every time, but then stops after a few seconds. It appears either my fuel pump is out or I'm not getting enough electricity to the pump to run it. I have installed a MSN fuel pump. It is high presure and worked perfect out of the box. I put about 2,000 miles on the car before this mystery started. I've checked the in-line fuel filter and it seems fine. (I do live in Southern Oregon where during the winter the area is forced to run oxigenated fuel that is known to cause problems with older cars- but since she starts just fine I think my injectors are ok.) I've pulled the relay apart and all contacts seem to hit just fine. My questions: 1. Could a new fuel pump go bad this fast? 2. If I'm not getting enough electricity, or have a bad end, where in the world do I find the wires in the engine bay? The pump is connected with a brown and a black (ground) wire. 3. Could it still be the relay? Thanks in advance of to everyone who might chip in advice. I am not experienced checking voltages- but am willing to learn. The problem with this car is: I've got the body in great shape, put a new interior kit in, and have thought about selling it to finance either an SC or a motor for my 365c, but I'm really starting to love this little car. Or as my wife calls it: The Hot Wheel. Thanks, JAA Oregon ![]() |
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| timothy_nd28 |
Jun 5 2013, 07:23 PM
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At this point, the fuel pump works when you deflect the AFM flap and have a jumper on pin 86c to 12v and a jumper on pin 85 to battery ground.
So with this known good configuration, leave the jumpers on and start the car. The car should run. With the car idling, remove the pin 85 to gnd jumper. Does the car remain running? If no, consider making a new wire from pin 85 to the battery neg. post. If the car remains running after removing the first jumper, remove the 2nd jumper (86c to +12vdc). Does the car remain running? (it shouldn't). Right when the car stalls, pull out your voltmeter. Your red meter lead on pin 86c and the black meter lead to the negative post on your battery. Anything less than 12vdc, leads me to believe that you have a faulty ignition switch. Pin 86c should read 12vdc when the ignition switch is turn to the "on" position. |
| Oregon74 |
Jun 6 2013, 04:52 PM
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Newbie ![]() Group: Members Posts: 44 Joined: 13-October 12 From: Oregon Member No.: 15,035 Region Association: None |
At this point, the fuel pump works when you deflect the AFM flap and have a jumper on pin 86c to 12v and a jumper on pin 85 to battery ground. So with this known good configuration, leave the jumpers on and start the car. The car should run. With the car idling, remove the pin 85 to gnd jumper. Does the car remain running? If no, consider making a new wire from pin 85 to the battery neg. post. If the car remains running after removing the first jumper, remove the 2nd jumper (86c to +12vdc). Does the car remain running? (it shouldn't). Right when the car stalls, pull out your voltmeter. Your red meter lead on pin 86c and the black meter lead to the negative post on your battery. Anything less than 12vdc, leads me to believe that you have a faulty ignition switch. Pin 86c should read 12vdc when the ignition switch is turn to the "on" position. Thanks Tim- Will try it all and report back. JAA |
Oregon74 Thank you to 914 World and New Problem- Fuel System Jun 2 2013, 08:42 PM
rick 918-S Hmmm... :idea: If it starts and idles and runs fi... Jun 3 2013, 05:59 AM
Black22 L jet cars will do this when the AFM is not connec... Jun 3 2013, 08:16 AM
Oregon74 Still not finding the problem. No air leaks. Can... Jun 4 2013, 06:18 PM
timothy_nd28 What a great looking 914, it would be a shame if y... Jun 3 2013, 11:19 AM
Oregon74
What a great looking 914, it would be a shame if ... Jun 4 2013, 09:27 PM
worn
First- without the help of Admin Andy and Timothy... Jun 3 2013, 11:21 AM
timothy_nd28
First- without the help of Admin Andy and Timothy... Jun 3 2013, 11:34 AM
Cap'n Krusty What is a "MSN" fuel pump?
Now, on to... Jun 3 2013, 11:59 AM
timothy_nd28
[color=#FF0000][i]What is a "MSN" fuel ... Jun 3 2013, 12:03 PM

worn
A liberal left leaning pump? :lol4:
Is the a... Jun 3 2013, 02:15 PM

Oregon74
[color=#FF0000][i]What is a "MSN" fuel... Jun 4 2013, 09:25 PM
Oregon74
What is a "MSN" fuel pump?
Now, on t... Jun 4 2013, 09:07 AM
timothy_nd28 Both the Captain and I gave you instructions that ... Jun 4 2013, 06:35 PM
r_towle Ljet trouble shooting.
http://manuals.type4.org/l... Jun 4 2013, 08:41 PM
r_towle Unplug the airflow meter
Put an ohm meter between ... Jun 4 2013, 08:46 PM
Oregon74
Unplug the airflow meter
Put an ohm meter between... Jun 4 2013, 09:28 PM
timothy_nd28
Unplug the airflow meter
Put an ohm meter betwee... Jun 4 2013, 10:20 PM
timothy_nd28 My test was never meant as a permanent fix. I jus... Jun 4 2013, 09:34 PM
timothy_nd28 Okay, remove the jumper wire that you installed on... Jun 4 2013, 09:46 PM
Oregon74
Okay, remove the jumper wire that you installed o... Jun 5 2013, 12:40 PM
timothy_nd28 Good, now remove that jumper. We need to move the... Jun 5 2013, 01:13 PM
Oregon74
Good, now remove that jumper. We need to move th... Jun 5 2013, 02:01 PM
timothy_nd28 Yep, looks like 88z is the pin that shares the red... Jun 5 2013, 02:14 PM
Oregon74
Yep, looks like 88z is the pin that shares the re... Jun 5 2013, 02:53 PM
timothy_nd28 Keep that jumper where it is at, but now add one m... Jun 5 2013, 02:55 PM
Oregon74
Keep that jumper where it is at, but now add one ... Jun 5 2013, 03:20 PM
timothy_nd28 good, remove that other jumper, but keep the one j... Jun 5 2013, 03:25 PM
Oregon74
good, remove that other jumper, but keep the one ... Jun 5 2013, 04:22 PM
timothy_nd28 Did you try starting the car? Since we removed th... Jun 5 2013, 04:32 PM
Oregon74
Did you try starting the car? Since we removed t... Jun 5 2013, 05:25 PM
timothy_nd28 Okay, put the jumper back on 86c to the positive b... Jun 5 2013, 05:51 PM
timothy_nd28 Just to keep everything straight, lets review what... Jun 5 2013, 06:56 PM
Oregon74 Tim-
Sorry for the delay. Life and a few graduat... Jun 10 2013, 09:58 PM
timothy_nd28 With your voltmeter, measure pin 86C to the negati... Jun 10 2013, 10:02 PM
Oregon74 Tim-
Went to the part store, got a few wires with... Jun 11 2013, 10:37 PM
speed metal army Jeesh! Tim Is a troubleshooting god of some so... Jun 11 2013, 11:21 PM
timothy_nd28 Excellent but damn! You had a testable condit... Jun 12 2013, 11:36 AM
Oregon74 Tim-
False alarm. She is up to the old tricks. ... Jun 16 2013, 10:29 AM
timothy_nd28 Sure, I'll pm you my cell number Jun 16 2013, 10:41 AM![]() ![]() |
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