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| Trekkor |
Jun 10 2013, 04:55 PM
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I do things... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
I have a VW Bug race car with a type four motor.
I would like it to safely rev up to 6500-7000 rpms. What is needed to accomplish this? thanks (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net-1413-1370904931.1.jpg) KT |
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| DBCooper |
Jun 13 2013, 10:29 AM
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14's in the 13's with ATTITUDE ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,079 Joined: 25-August 04 From: Dazed and Confused Member No.: 2,618 Region Association: Northern California |
You said "we turned 322 3 mile laps in our 2012 24 hour race", which is an average of about 40 miles an hour. That's not real fast, so did you spend time in the pits? How much? A 40 mph average speed won't stress your engine, so I guess the real question is what's your real average speed, when racing, the speed you'd need to maintain for 24 hours?
Reason for the T1 suggestion was cost. All the performance parts you need are cheap in a T1, while the same T4 parts are expensive. The question about aircooled fours in endurance racing was because you're doing something really rare and difficult, so it's really cool. But it's so cool exactly because it's so hard. And since it's hard to make a T4 live that long it seems that your priority is probably longevity before power or RPM's. Or no? And IF that's the case (lots of "ifs" here) then that suggestion to go big and mild might be wiser than smaller and stressed. Did you chop up the back of the car, or was it converted to upright cooling? If so what are you using? Is there a thread somewhere? |
| Trekkor |
Jun 13 2013, 01:23 PM
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I do things... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
You said "we turned 322 3 mile laps in our 2012 24 hour race", which is an average of about 40 miles an hour. That's not real fast, so did you spend time in the pits? How much? A 40 mph average speed won't stress your engine, so I guess the real question is what's your real average speed, when racing, the speed you'd need to maintain for 24 hours? Reason for the T1 suggestion was cost. All the performance parts you need are cheap in a T1, while the same T4 parts are expensive. The question about aircooled fours in endurance racing was because you're doing something really rare and difficult, so it's really cool. But it's so cool exactly because it's so hard. And since it's hard to make a T4 live that long it seems that your priority is probably longevity before power or RPM's. Or no? And IF that's the case (lots of "ifs" here) then that suggestion to go big and mild might be wiser than smaller and stressed. Did you chop up the back of the car, or was it converted to upright cooling? If so what are you using? Is there a thread somewhere? We spent at least 60 minutes in the pits doing fueling/driver changes and maybe as much as two hours for mechanical issues. Also, some lengthy full course yellows. We had to keep the rpms' below 4500 the entire race or the valve covers gaskets would blow off ( drivers weren't paying attention and this happened four or more times during the race anyway ). We had hard contact and had to change both driver side wheels that were broken. I went out at 4:00 am and noticed the steering wheel was about to come off. had to limp back and get that tightened. We fabbed up very ugly, yet very effective cooling ducts. In 110 degree plus conditions the car never went over 190 degrees. KT |
Trekkor Making the type four rev higher Jun 10 2013, 04:55 PM
ConeDodger Extreme balance. Light driveline components. Ignor... Jun 10 2013, 05:00 PM
timothy_nd28 heavy duty valve springs and chrome moly pushrods Jun 10 2013, 05:02 PM
The Cabinetmaker My 2056 has the raby valve train kit with stock sp... Jun 10 2013, 05:13 PM
DBCooper All kinds of drag racers spinning them faster than... Jun 10 2013, 05:19 PM
ConeDodger
All kinds of drag racers spinning them faster tha... Jun 10 2013, 05:27 PM
WLD419 Some might say the right combo :D , I would say ... Jun 10 2013, 05:26 PM
Steve Do they make a 3/4 cam for a type 4?
3/4 cam has a... Jun 10 2013, 05:33 PM
DBCooper
Do they make a 3/4 cam for a type 4?
3/4 cam has ... Jun 10 2013, 06:05 PM
yeahmag A few key components:
* Aftermarket rods
* Caref... Jun 10 2013, 06:11 PM
Trekkor This will be for endurance road racing.
I would li... Jun 10 2013, 09:22 PM
mittelmotor That looks like the Buttonwillow ChumpCar race. Yo... Jun 10 2013, 11:52 PM
Trekkor
That looks like the Buttonwillow ChumpCar race. Y... Jun 11 2013, 02:27 PM
messix endurance racing? don't go for high rpm! t... Jun 11 2013, 12:11 AM
Mark Henry There are limitations to what a pushrod motor can ... Jun 11 2013, 06:25 AM
rick 918-S
There are limitations to what a pushrod motor can... Jun 11 2013, 07:32 AM
Racer Chris My backup 1.8L race engine is set up for 6800 rpm ... Jun 11 2013, 07:06 AM
WLD419 You should post this question over on the Type4 f... Jun 11 2013, 08:29 AM
Trekkor I think our current set-up made 124hp.
Can't r... Jun 11 2013, 02:20 PM
Trekkor It's a pretty fun car!
http://www.914worl... Jun 11 2013, 10:13 PM
stugray
Is there a "rule of thumb" for con-rod... Jun 11 2013, 10:24 PM
messix weight...
the longer rod will weigh more.
the is... Jun 11 2013, 10:42 PM
Trekkor More fun:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_of... Jun 11 2013, 11:04 PM
Trekkor That's probably my biggest complaint with the ... Jun 11 2013, 11:41 PM
Trekkor Dual Webers on the motor, BTW.
KT Jun 11 2013, 11:42 PM
messix "floating the valves is not good!!... Jun 11 2013, 11:52 PM
stugray
I thought that the problem occurred at the oppos... Jun 12 2013, 01:22 AM
messix
I thought that the problem occurred at the oppo... Jun 12 2013, 01:27 PM
r_towle You might want to consider a 915 tranny, or a prop... Jun 12 2013, 09:37 AM
Mark Henry
You might want to consider a 915 tranny, or a pro... Jun 12 2013, 10:11 AM
Trekkor Yes, maybe a 901 tailshifter with a flipped ring a... Jun 12 2013, 08:38 PM
brant
Yes, maybe a 901 tailshifter with a flipped ring ... Jun 12 2013, 09:17 PM
Trekkor
you don't have to flip it if you use a 911 ... Jun 12 2013, 10:01 PM
DBCooper Just a general question, what's the history of... Jun 12 2013, 09:16 PM
Trekkor
Just a general question, what's the history o... Jun 12 2013, 10:00 PM
messix
Just a general question, what's the history o... Jun 12 2013, 10:11 PM
aircooledtechguy If I build a motor to rev higher these are some of... Jun 12 2013, 11:13 PM
messix and would you run it for 24hrs in race trim? only... Jun 12 2013, 11:45 PM
worn
Reason for the T1 suggestion was cost. All the ... Jun 13 2013, 10:45 AM

DBCooper
What I think I am saying is that for power, I am ... Jun 13 2013, 03:04 PM
yeahmag I would completely disagree from experience. My Ty... Jun 13 2013, 10:54 AM
DBCooper Well, the T4 IS a truck motor, so it makes sense t... Jun 13 2013, 12:43 PM
Racer Chris I averaged over 60 mph for 1000 miles the last tim... Jun 13 2013, 01:23 PM
Trekkor We missed our class win by two laps.
We were doin... Jun 13 2013, 05:12 PM
stugray
I drove my 914 back & forth from Oklahoma Ci... Jun 13 2013, 05:28 PM
messix wow really guys :stooges: ... you cant compare cru... Jun 13 2013, 05:53 PM
DBCooper That is SO cool. Well done. I don't know wha... Jun 14 2013, 08:10 AM
sean_v8_914 you must manage the FORCE
force = mass x accelera... Jun 14 2013, 11:24 AM
sean_v8_914 lots of cool valve float videos on youtube Jun 14 2013, 11:31 AM
Trekkor better view of the duct work!:
http://www.914... Jun 14 2013, 12:37 PM
DBCooper Wow, reinforced bumpers welded on, looks like disc... Jun 14 2013, 01:22 PM
Trekkor Let's see if i can find some shots of the vent... Jun 14 2013, 01:42 PM
Trekkor http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i944.... Jun 14 2013, 04:42 PM
sean_v8_914 so I had to look at all teh pics on thet link, of ... Jun 15 2013, 10:08 AM
sean_v8_914 that breather box is qustom HDR. the electrical co... Jun 15 2013, 10:13 AM
Trekkor Exactly!
KT Jun 15 2013, 11:33 AM![]() ![]() |
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