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> To anneal or not to anneal?
lsintampa
post Jun 30 2013, 09:14 AM
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75 914/4 2.0

Will soon be backdating my exhaust with SS HE's

I have new sealing rings (for the exhaust headers) and gaskets for the muffler, and new copper (plated) nuts or copper not sure but those from the big bird.

I've read several threads about annealing the sealing rings, using copper RTV, and all sorts of ways you all have mounted up your HE's.

The captain said something to the effect of mounting them, after you run them for a while, tighten them up again. I think in effect this is part of the annealing process.

I think I'm going with annealing up front and then tighten them up again once they motor has been running a bit.

Not sure this is the best method, or if one is better than the other, but it sounds right to me.

Question I have, that I've not seen addressed anywhere is that when I take the stock headers and try to test fit them to the motor, it is really tight getting the headers onto the studs. So tight in fact, I never really got them onto the studs for fear of mucking something up in the process.

By tight, I mead that the ears on the headers want to rub on the valve tubes.

Is this "normal"?

Thanks,

Len

And if you want to put your .02 in on the annealing / not annealing debate feel free!

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post Jun 30 2013, 07:45 PM
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No fire storm here. Just differing approaches I think (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Besides, most of these guys, including Rand, know far more than I do. I wouldn't have made it this far without their help.

I'm not quite clear on what's actually giving you issues Len. The ears of each HE tube are hitting the pushrod tubes? That shouldn't be so. Sometimes they can be a bear to get over the studs, and you have to try a couple of angles to get them on all the way (especially if the studs have ever been drilled out or a Time-sert/Heli-coil was installed at a different angle than the factory). Otherwise they should go on fairly easy. The harder part is getting a socket on the exhaust stud nuts. The nuts from the factory were something like 12mm, which gives just enough room to fit a socket on. A 13 mm won't quite fit on some of them, so it's pretty important to have the correct hardware.

Do you already have the engine in the car? If not, you probably want to wait to install the exhaust when everything is in. As much of a pain it is to work on your back, it's a lot easier than trying to work on your side with the engine on a dolly. I can help you with that.
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lsintampa   To anneal or not to anneal?   Jun 30 2013, 09:14 AM
rick 918-S   anneal them   Jun 30 2013, 09:30 AM
bulitt   Shouldn't have to if they are new. :confused:   Jun 30 2013, 09:38 AM
Black22   Anneal.   Jun 30 2013, 09:46 AM
McMark   Certainly doesn't hurt. But I don't do it...   Jun 30 2013, 11:09 AM
mrbubblehead   i say anneal. and use a dab of gasgacinch to hold ...   Jun 30 2013, 06:50 PM
ThePaintedMan   If logic holds true, and the heat in the exhaust a...   Jun 30 2013, 07:00 PM
Rand   Since it is proven that it is unnecessary, then wh...   Jun 30 2013, 07:00 PM
ThePaintedMan   It might be unnecessary, but it can't hurt, I ...   Jun 30 2013, 07:14 PM
Rand   Like I said, if it makes you feel better. (It...   Jun 30 2013, 07:27 PM
lsintampa   I didn't mean to start a fire storm... either ...   Jun 30 2013, 07:35 PM
Rand   I didn't mean to start a fire storm... This...   Jun 30 2013, 07:37 PM
ThePaintedMan   No fire storm here. Just differing approaches I th...   Jun 30 2013, 07:45 PM
lsintampa   Hey George, When the HE's get here (I hope so...   Jun 30 2013, 07:55 PM
rhodyguy   when dressing the piping you need a big bastard fi...   Jul 1 2013, 05:39 AM
stugray   If you heat metal and cool it quickly you are no...   Jul 1 2013, 08:05 AM
ThePaintedMan   If you heat metal and cool it quickly you are n...   Jul 1 2013, 08:15 AM
Racer Chris   If you heat metal and cool it quickly you are not...   Jul 1 2013, 08:53 AM
worn   If you heat metal and cool it quickly you are n...   Jul 1 2013, 02:26 PM
dlee6204   If you heat metal and cool it quickly you are n...   Jul 1 2013, 08:44 AM
lsintampa   ahh, I'm firing up the grill right now. Dogs...   Jul 1 2013, 08:54 AM
bulitt   ahh, I'm firing up the grill right now. Dog...   Jul 1 2013, 09:29 AM
Racer Chris   ahh, I'm firing up the grill right now. Do...   Jul 1 2013, 09:57 AM
lsintampa   Okay, I think there was a great bit of informatio...   Jul 1 2013, 10:18 AM


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