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> To anneal or not to anneal?
lsintampa
post Jun 30 2013, 09:14 AM
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75 914/4 2.0

Will soon be backdating my exhaust with SS HE's

I have new sealing rings (for the exhaust headers) and gaskets for the muffler, and new copper (plated) nuts or copper not sure but those from the big bird.

I've read several threads about annealing the sealing rings, using copper RTV, and all sorts of ways you all have mounted up your HE's.

The captain said something to the effect of mounting them, after you run them for a while, tighten them up again. I think in effect this is part of the annealing process.

I think I'm going with annealing up front and then tighten them up again once they motor has been running a bit.

Not sure this is the best method, or if one is better than the other, but it sounds right to me.

Question I have, that I've not seen addressed anywhere is that when I take the stock headers and try to test fit them to the motor, it is really tight getting the headers onto the studs. So tight in fact, I never really got them onto the studs for fear of mucking something up in the process.

By tight, I mead that the ears on the headers want to rub on the valve tubes.

Is this "normal"?

Thanks,

Len

And if you want to put your .02 in on the annealing / not annealing debate feel free!

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post Jul 1 2013, 08:05 AM
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drop them directly into a mason jar of water and install.


If you heat metal and cool it quickly you are not softening it, you are hardening it.

To anneal (make the metal softer) you should heat them and then let them cool as slowly as possible.

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post Jul 1 2013, 08:15 AM
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drop them directly into a mason jar of water and install.


If you heat metal and cool it quickly you are not softening it, you are hardening it.

To anneal (make the metal softer) you should heat them and then let them cool as slowly as possible.

Stu


My mistake. That makes sense. I was just describing what I did after reading how others had done it. Maybe next time I'll just leave them on the grill to slow roast after I shut it off (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Definitely changed the sound of them though when bounced and they're almost pliable enough to bend with hands alone.
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lsintampa   To anneal or not to anneal?   Jun 30 2013, 09:14 AM
rick 918-S   anneal them   Jun 30 2013, 09:30 AM
bulitt   Shouldn't have to if they are new. :confused:   Jun 30 2013, 09:38 AM
Black22   Anneal.   Jun 30 2013, 09:46 AM
McMark   Certainly doesn't hurt. But I don't do it...   Jun 30 2013, 11:09 AM
mrbubblehead   i say anneal. and use a dab of gasgacinch to hold ...   Jun 30 2013, 06:50 PM
ThePaintedMan   If logic holds true, and the heat in the exhaust a...   Jun 30 2013, 07:00 PM
Rand   Since it is proven that it is unnecessary, then wh...   Jun 30 2013, 07:00 PM
ThePaintedMan   It might be unnecessary, but it can't hurt, I ...   Jun 30 2013, 07:14 PM
Rand   Like I said, if it makes you feel better. (It...   Jun 30 2013, 07:27 PM
lsintampa   I didn't mean to start a fire storm... either ...   Jun 30 2013, 07:35 PM
Rand   I didn't mean to start a fire storm... This...   Jun 30 2013, 07:37 PM
ThePaintedMan   No fire storm here. Just differing approaches I th...   Jun 30 2013, 07:45 PM
lsintampa   Hey George, When the HE's get here (I hope so...   Jun 30 2013, 07:55 PM
rhodyguy   when dressing the piping you need a big bastard fi...   Jul 1 2013, 05:39 AM
stugray   If you heat metal and cool it quickly you are no...   Jul 1 2013, 08:05 AM
ThePaintedMan   If you heat metal and cool it quickly you are n...   Jul 1 2013, 08:15 AM
Racer Chris   If you heat metal and cool it quickly you are not...   Jul 1 2013, 08:53 AM
worn   If you heat metal and cool it quickly you are n...   Jul 1 2013, 02:26 PM
dlee6204   If you heat metal and cool it quickly you are n...   Jul 1 2013, 08:44 AM
lsintampa   ahh, I'm firing up the grill right now. Dogs...   Jul 1 2013, 08:54 AM
bulitt   ahh, I'm firing up the grill right now. Dog...   Jul 1 2013, 09:29 AM
Racer Chris   ahh, I'm firing up the grill right now. Do...   Jul 1 2013, 09:57 AM
lsintampa   Okay, I think there was a great bit of informatio...   Jul 1 2013, 10:18 AM


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