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| Elliot_Cannon |
 Aug 28 2003, 11:03 AM
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Hi,
Finally get the 2.2 installed in my 73. I needed to get the 44idf carbs adjusted and and valve train was making a lot of noise. I took it back to the engine builder yesterday to have these adjustments made. I get a call from them this morning saying that they have to take the engine back apart because the cam had been worn down. Something about bad lifters! This on an egnine that cost me $7000.00 and had LESS THAN 20 MILES ON IT. These folks are supposed to be THE VW engine builders on the west coast. So now I have to go back up to their shop, drive the car home, remove the engine and bring it back up to them. Sorry to rant here but my wife is tired of hearing about the car. Elliot FAT PERFORMANCE (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fighting19.gif) |
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| Jake Raby |
Jul 24 2013, 07:03 PM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,398 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE Joe Gibbs makes an oil specifically for use in air cooled motors. Yep... This... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net-1095-1374714212.1.jpg) Led to this after several generations of development in my engines. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net-1095-1374714214.2.jpg) And its not just Zinc. Attend one of the lubrication Seminars hosted by Lake Speed of Joe Gibbs Driven Racing Oils to learn how we developed these oils and how the critical balance of anti-wear and detergency packages is is so critical. Lake is a Certified Lubrication Specialist and Tribologist. His seminars are NOT infomercials, in fact he hardly talks about Gibbs products unless the attendees ask him. Joe Gibbs products are formulated by Lubrizol; one of only 4 companies in the world that makes additive packages for oils. Interestingly enough, ZDDP was invented by Lubrizol. No one knows it better and every single piece of military equipment in the US Armed Forces is filled with Lubrizol oils, in fact ZDDP was invented to kill engine wear in Sherman Tank engines in WWII. |
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| worn |
Jul 24 2013, 08:11 PM
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Winner of the Utah Twisted Joint Award Group: Members Posts: 3,492 Joined: 3-June 11 From: Madison, WI Member No.: 13,152 Region Association: Upper MidWest 
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So I will be ok as long as I use joe Gibbs oil? That is good to know because I have new set of lifters and I was getting concerned. I will check out Summit.
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| Jake Raby |
Jul 24 2013, 08:55 PM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,398 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(worn @ Jul 24 2013, 06:11 PM)  So I will be ok as long as I use joe Gibbs oil? That is good to know because I have new set of lifters and I was getting concerned. I will check out Summit. Oil isn't magical. If you have mismatched components or low quality components with improper profiles, improper spring pressure or etc you will have problems no matter what oil is used. We have not had a single camshaft issue since 2005, before that we had gone 5 years with zero issues. that single issue that we had was in my own engine! Thats turnkeys and component kit sales alike and the numbers are in the thousands for sales. A lot of it is luck. Good oil at least gives you a fighting chance. Bad oil gives you a death wish. |
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Elliot Cannon valve lifters Aug 28 2003, 11:03 AM
rhodyguy [QUOTE]. why is all of that your responsibility? t... Aug 28 2003, 11:13 AM tryan must be all that rtv on the pushrod tubes.
sorry... Aug 28 2003, 11:14 AM cgnj Well, That sucks.
There was a tread on STF about ... Aug 28 2003, 11:18 AM rhodyguy fly up and sit on my deck if you want to. SERENITY... Aug 28 2003, 11:18 AM redshift Why is this happening so frequently?
M Aug 28 2003, 11:19 AM Elliot Cannon Hi,
I can drive the car OK. The cam isn... Aug 28 2003, 11:53 AM Elliot Cannon ... Aug 28 2003, 12:00 PM Brad Roberts Hum... 2 engines in 2 weeks.
I just received a ne... Aug 28 2003, 03:56 PM redshift This makes 4 Type-IV engines (Web) I can count fro... Aug 28 2003, 04:05 PM Elliot Cannon Hi,
I just got the car home and will star... Aug 28 2003, 04:27 PM swood Now I'm getting nervous. I have a sweet (so I... Aug 28 2003, 04:46 PM Racer Chris I thought the last batch of Johnson lifters was th... Aug 28 2003, 09:34 PM redshift I need to have questions about my new_new engine..... Aug 28 2003, 10:06 PM campbellcj Very interesting that this problem has been occurr... Aug 28 2003, 10:41 PM Elliot Cannon Hi,
Do I understand correctly that it i... Aug 28 2003, 11:08 PM seanery Elliott,
These are the mechanical lifters sold by... Aug 28 2003, 11:26 PM redshift Mine went @ 4800 miles, but the builder says bad g... Aug 29 2003, 12:07 AM Brad Roberts Elliot..it is the lifters. If the hardness of the ... Aug 29 2003, 01:48 AM redshift I liked it before, when there were enough cars her... Aug 29 2003, 03:21 AM Elliot Cannon Hi,
Sorry to cause any sleepless nights ov... Aug 29 2003, 01:19 PM tryan take the cam and lifters and check the surface har... Aug 29 2003, 01:33 PM rdauenhauer Just a thought but would those nifty hi-$ Cer... Aug 29 2003, 01:35 PM StratPlayer Arrrgh,,, I just had a cam and new lifters install... Aug 29 2003, 01:50 PM redshift How much was that, if you don't mind?
M Aug 29 2003, 06:43 PM redshift The strat is safe, ... Aug 30 2003, 12:55 AM Brad Roberts Run it. If it pukes... we start a class action wit... Aug 30 2003, 12:59 AM redshift We need a chat applet.
The first engine was broke... Aug 30 2003, 01:05 AM Brad Roberts I do have a chat applet (www.all914.com)
Can you ... Aug 30 2003, 01:08 AM redshift Can I prove it? No.
Do I believe it had run 500 ... Aug 30 2003, 01:21 AM
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Built by the best, for the best money work can b... Jul 23 2013, 09:45 PM rdauenhauer Not to hijack this thread but this sort of reminde... Aug 30 2003, 01:24 AM redshift I have a 40 piece Vietnamese socket set, about 10 ... Aug 30 2003, 01:36 AM cgnj Hi,
Could be lifter bores? Or is it a chicken bef... Aug 30 2003, 09:10 AM redshift Jake Raby Thereare MANY contributing factors to flat cams an... Aug 31 2003, 04:42 PM StratPlayer Anything special have to be done to use ceramic li... Jan 7 2004, 06:48 PM cnavarro They have raised pushrod cup heights, when compare... Jan 7 2004, 07:36 PM Aaron Cox oh crap. i may have the dead cam issue. I noticed ... Jan 7 2004, 08:23 PM Mark Henry redshift Aaron dood.. if the cam goes flat, you know it. Yo... Jan 8 2004, 07:52 AM Jake Raby I'll be making a BIG post on the STF either la... Jan 8 2004, 08:13 AM rhodyguy is the lifter issue a problem across the range of ... Jan 8 2004, 08:18 AM Brett W "oh crap. i may have the dead cam issue. I noticed... Jan 8 2004, 08:38 AM Jake Raby Brett is correct. Rockers can wear ne get noisy an... Jan 8 2004, 10:53 AM James Adams Jake said somewhere that he purposely floated the ... Jan 8 2004, 12:30 PM Jake Raby I made this post yesterday on Pelican....
I have ... Jan 8 2004, 02:19 PM jkeyzer Does anyone have a good reference on how to set up... Jan 8 2004, 02:32 PM Mueller Jake,
switch to decaf my man, LOL
seriously, t... Jan 8 2004, 02:41 PM Jake Raby Yeah..... floating valves isn't a good thing a... Jan 8 2004, 03:22 PM Korijo I just re-read the entire thread... Again. I am n... Jan 8 2004, 03:33 PM Mueller "pure evil"???
about shear stupidity??? yea, I... Jan 8 2004, 03:39 PM Korijo What is the advantage of the oversized lifters com... Jan 8 2004, 04:05 PM jkeyzer You get the lifter bores bored out for the oversiz... Jan 8 2004, 05:30 PM cnavarro Layaway. That's pretty funny, considering payp... Jan 8 2004, 05:47 PM Air_Cooled_Nut Korijo I'm in for a "Direct" replacement group buy th... Jan 8 2004, 07:32 PM rhodyguy is buying a set up from cb performance an option. ... Jan 8 2004, 09:00 PM Jake Raby That combo needs some serious refiguring in my opi... Jan 9 2004, 08:54 AM Korijo I thought I was lacking in the cam department :un... Jan 10 2004, 01:05 AM Mark Henry Korijo QUOTE
theo Sorry to dig up a decade old thread, but does anyo... Jul 23 2013, 01:52 PM monkeyboy General concensus these days was that a lot of it ... Jul 23 2013, 02:05 PM Elliot Cannon I found some ceramic lifters. ($500) Works ... Jul 23 2013, 03:45 PM 7TPorsh Saw that Hemmings Motor News is making special oil... Jul 23 2013, 04:07 PM sean_v8_914 lots of high zddp oils coming out because of this.... Jul 24 2013, 09:23 AM |
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